I was basing my post on Darev's belief that the BBT disproves.

Also, how could a being exist for an eternity. If he existed for an eternity, then that means the time before the universe created, he would have existed for an eternity, meaning he would have never reached the time to create the universe.

Also, I can understand believing in a creator. But how do you know there is only one creator? How do you know he knows everything? How do you know he is all-powerful? How do you know he is all-loving? How do you he is eternal? He could just be a normal being from a normal being who just decided to create a new universe at will. Believing in a creator is one thing, but attaching so many extraodinary traits isn't justified. 

If you believe in God and trust in Him, and accept Jesus as your savior, then you need not be concerned about if your life is miserable. God has a plan for me, and he has a plan for you. I was miserable, and then a few months ago, I felt Him pulling me towards Him, and I didn't resist. I've had a very happy life ever since. I'm sure it won't always be this wonderful, but Jesus is always with us and during the hardest parts of our lives, that is when he is with us the most.

Man (or woman) thanks for that, really. I am not against Science at all. In fact, I think the more you look to science it will point to unknows that will at the same time inevitably point to a creator.

All I know is what the bible says and applying just simple COMMON SENSE I can see that there must be a creator, because our Universe, as you pointed out, fits together too perfectly to be anything other than of a grand design. Science like the BBT can go a long way to proving God I think. The problem is that people, a lot of them in these forums, think that Science and Religion cannot fit together, and even that you cannot rationally, logically, or historically explain God or Religion - but I find that is because they lack knowlege both scientific and spiritual.

With regards the OP, and your last paragraph, I agree that God doesn't need aything from us, cause he says in the Bible that if we humans don't praise him, he can get the rocks to do it. I believe what he does desire from us however is our love, which he doesn't force from us.

That is simply because the Bible (aka. the word of God) does not fit together with science. The Bible contains a great deal of claims that has now been disproven by science. With that in mind, there is no reason to believe that the remaining claims that has not yet been disproven are true. It is simply not a trustworthy source.

It is very easy to say that science and religion fit together perfectly when you can just say that, "God designed that." every time a scientific discovery is made and then simply disregard previous biblical truths and say, "That part was metaphorical all along."

Well, I agree. Cause our parents, both biological or spiritual, are the ones that provide for us. The thing is that we as children, both biological or spiritual, are often very ungrateful to our parents and don't give them the 'credit' that they deserve.

I don't owe god anything. On the other hand, I owe Zeus quite a bit. Bad night of poker.

Again, you looking at this as if you’re a victim, as opposed to being a child of God.

 (1) (1) We are being punished right now, but through repentance and acceptance of God’s son Jesus you can be forgiven of your sins, even before you die. Death signals the end of humans having the ability to REPENT for their sins. God is not incapable of anything, however, he being a just God has set his rules in place and will follow them, because if he doesn’t he will be breaking his own rules. If you read ROMANS 6 in the bible you will see where it says that we should suffer NOW a SPIRITUAL death, before our physical death, so that we can be forgiven for our sins. Again it is your perception of that blinds you. God uses death as something good (yeah I know it sounds strange) since it takes us out of this world of stress, misery, sin and ultimately death – which is a good thin

2)    (2) God didn’t design humans to fail or sin. The point is that with choice comes the ability for humans to sin, but that doesn’t mean that God designed or wants us to sin. Moreover, God knowing our propensity to sin, had a PLAN OF SALVATION through his son Jesus. So God loved us and provided for even before Adam and Eve sined.

3)    (3) See (1) above. Yes, one must come to the acceptance of God before you die to escape his judgment, but God offers you that opportunity now. That is not a limitation on God because he doesn’t forgive you after you die, but that he is a just God that will follow his own rules.

As for God’s parenting vs that of Humans the bible at Isaiah 55:8-9 says:

"We owe him the tools, not our own creations such as our children, all the things that we buy and the result (happiness, sadness, etc) of every other action that we make. He made it possible, we made it happen. Thus, while God did create life, you should still go thank your parents for creating you, while solely thanking God for making it possible."

Reading this seems like a downplay of everything in which holds no ground.  You try using semti cs to create this point. If God created  your great great great great (you get the point) parnets then you owe him for your existence. Plus we also must ask why can't he just take it all back any second as he OWNS everything you make. Then yes you still owe him. You don't own anything and don't deserve anything so you owe him now if you just say well I don't have thank him then it's really you just arguing in a circle.  You can't make anything happen without him first approving it which he does.... so there is no argument here beside arguing I don't feel like a owe God. 

"...if you have anything to be thankful about, that is. I mean, millions of people have been born only to live through a miserable life. They may have died alone, lived on the streets, were forced to become prostitutes, commited suicide because of all of their misery and so on. Millions (if not billions) of people lived/lives through complete shit despite using their "blessed" free will only for good throughout their lives. They were never rewarded during their lifetimes, or at least not in a notable manner, and always thought deep inside that a quick route away from life would be better than living through the same shit for another 40 years."

And millions have had  turn there life around and lived happy life. And we must not forget that one person dies it isn't over and stops. When that person dies on the corner by himself rejected by society he ISN'T rejected by Jesus based on society.  Because of Jesus atonement and what God has deemed from it.... it doesn't end with the earth. Therefor, if you lived a horrible life on earth you can still go with Jesus on judgement day and will be washed of the evils of this world and go on to live forever purity. It is describe in the bible to be with God is to live imagnie the greatesst feeling and than imagine it being better. So, if we were to go on EVEN futher if you go to have you have eternality of to thank God for. So, again even if I got stabbed to death by some killer or family members were to die I know it's not over and ONLY the beginning.

"They were never rewarded during their lifetimes"

Why does it have to be in earth time when it is know that heaven is the ulimate reward (eternality of greatness). You act like heaven doesn't exist in christianity and that life stops here on earth when even Paul who was being beaten badly  and knew he would be put to death knew it would not end here. Please don't ignore heaven into math because your giving half an argument more like a straw man.

"And what is God's response to this? APPRECIATE LIFE! Life is a gift! Commiting suicide is a sin! You owe me everything you have! Don't disrespect me by taking your own life, accept the fact that you can't do anything about your situation and start appreciating life! USE MY GIFT! You don't want to go to hell, do you?"

Wow someone arguing for suicide LOL that is a good one.  Anyway back to the subject of suicide the point is to never give up on life and that there is ALWAYS a chance to change things or progress in someway if that means dieing to protect what you believe or something related. If you are not getting food or beaten then try to something to change it. It's never over until you die. But on the note of biblical does it say anything about suicide being morally wrong  nothing is noted on suicide being wrong but in 

"Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own, you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body (1 Corinthians 6:19-20)." Copy and pasted

But this passage is descibing that you should not treat your body wrong by harming yourself or someone else. And this is all assumed for the person to be a christian and not someone would doesn't know God or the bible. So, how does this relate to a person who doesn't know God/Bible would be based on Romans where God judges you based on your knowledge of the specific laws and  as it based on common laws that God expects from all. 

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Philippians 1:20-26:

Paul is contemplating whether it is better to live or die.  He is hard pressed to decide between the two, "having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better. Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you...yet what I shall choose I cannot tell." One commentator writes of this passage that Paul "does not know whether he prefers life with labor or death with gain...in a life-and-death situation, he scarcely knows which alternative is to be preferred." He chooses life." http://www.religioustolerance.org/sui_cscr.htm

^ Copy and pasted.

Suicide is touched here.  

"Numbers 11:12-15 Moses was in despair because of the complaints of the Israelites whom he was leading. The burden of leadership was too heavy for him to bear. He asked God "If You treat me like this, please kill me here and now...""

Moses asking for God to kill him but was rejected because he had to do his job.

Copy and pasted.

"Jonah 4:1-11 God had threatened the destruction of the Nineveh, a city of 120,000 people. But the king and people of the city listened to Jonah, repented of their sins, and fasted. God changed his mind and did not destroy the city. Jonah was so angry at God's display of mercy that he asked God to kill him, "for it is better for me to die than to live!" He repeated the same request to God on the next day."

This was rejected too. But I think the point is that suicide was usually stated to God and was rejected but wasn't taken as a great moral sin but as decisions these people made must of which were rejected because of them having a job to do still. So, to say if you kill yourself  and you will go to hell will have to depend on the context of which you killed yourself on and how God reacts to it. So, basically like everything in life it's not balck and white as you put it because your looking for the easy answer for simple mindedness.

"Now, at this point I can see one scenario in which case people still would side with God, namely the scenario where God put actual effort into making your life possible. If God actually went through blood, sweat and tears to make your life possible, then maybe it would make sense to show some respect in return. But the truth is that he didn't. God is almighty, remember? We are not the result of a thinking person working hard to achieve something, we are the result of an almighty being committing a random act which required no efforts whatsoever. Sure, the Bible says that he "rested" on the seventh day, but given how that would prove that he is not "fully" almighty I guess even strong believers would agree that that is complete bullshit, while all non-believers (well, and some believers) simply add this to the pile of contradictions found in the Holy Bible."

How was it random? Do you know what random is? When you get up at night and create breakfest is that random? Where do you get your defintions from?

You don't go through a organized progress and say it's "random". Man this is going to be the new Abarham didn't know God would do something LOL(EVEN QUOTED HERBEWS TWICE WERE HE SAID HE DID XD ). I would quote where he says "this was good" showing conscience decision and the process he made to create life but at this point if you don't understand basic words why bother.

On the point of "which required no efforts whatsoever" so if I were rich... and gave 100,000 dollars to charity then I we should not praise me because alll had to do was give some paper to the organization.  Let's make this even better what if I never had to work in life from a trustfund from my parnets and gave fraction 5 percent to a charity should we not thank me at all? Man that guy had to do nothing but give some paper to person and kids were able to eat and have a better living. Haha  no effort I'm a better person because did more physical work then him and I worked harder! No, come back to reality the amount of work a person puts into someone based on resources doesn't change the fact of a good deed it just makes you look very angry at life based on your limited resources. What did you want God to become a human and start fixing things up himself with limited ability do not realize how stupid that sounds? Your saying because God had the ablitity to create something with no effort that takes away the good being done. Let me give you one more example, so if I were to build a home for  homeless people and have crapload of money which iI didn't work for does that mean the homeless shouldn't feel thankful? Oh... wait good job exposing your great logic you just proved how bitter your life really is. Your not at this point trying to see if God is bad or good your just trying to fed your own ego based on your bias on christianity. This is why I warned you not to make topics like this because there poor and ego boosting. Watch you dodge this one  because you always do then create the same subject somewhere else.

"Thus, the only reason left for these people to love and worship God should be their desire to enter heaven, not out of appreciation for what they have. They have every right to complain about their situation, but should refrain from doing so in an act of selfishness....."

Yup people.... don't be happy you can loving family and that you all unique personallites. Don't be happy you have dreams. You would rather be dog chasing your own tail then trying to actual affect the world around you. Make sure to tell rich people who fund goodprograms to screw it and that they don't put as much enough as you in life! Live a hateful life don't thank anyone for that matter because really this thread really is about not being thank you for anything but yourself. I mean please tell why I couldn't use this poor arguemts against anyone? If someone libves your life don't thank them ! You should thank there parnets for borning them as they gave them the tools to do it! Oh wait... but who borned those parnets... Yea, I mean people are killing themselves is way better then finding a way out of hell hole because we know don't know anybody out that has miserable life and turns it around. I mean I personally worked with mentally challenged kids when I was in school and was the only male to do so because it wasn't "cool" and when the kids thank me for being there for them they really shouldn't have because society gave me the tools to help them!  I mean all had to do was talked to the kids and play with them it didn't take any resources from me! Man it's a good thing I know IIIIITHE1IIIII is giving his time and effort to charities  like I am like cleaning out rivers and helping children because he a he really cares about this people! Thank God we have people like him that complain about people being miserable and does everything he can to help them! He truely cares about people he is talking about  because he takes his resources that he has to help him. Man I bet he gave more to charities then he did to video games this year alone! 

In conclusion.

Using your arguments I can say nobody is owes anything no one is needed to be thanked. Heck, using your standards I can't find one person to thank in my whole life can't even thank my parnets without being hypocrite and really thanking my grandparnets  for borning them. Your standard if isn't Godly posssible what do you think of a human ever reaching it. Heck, I don't even think you come even close to be thank for anything based on your own standard for God. It's basically argument made to be winned by arguing with personal bias with no actual substance . It was basically if your God and you anything for me it will not matter ANYWAY way because it would take no effort from him. You destroy any argument against it because it was so dumb you would have to first believe that was even a honest point or even coherent to begin with.  This truely has to be the worst thread you ever made. It seriously makes me wonder even remotely if you realize that you have  a strong bias against God in which you create special pleading arguments.

Quote of the week. [I will put in my sig at some point because how much of a facepalm I had)

"Sure, the Bible says that he "rested" on the seventh day, but given how that would prove that he is not "fully" almighty"

You do realise that many Scientists have come to the conclusion that there MUST be a creator - right?

And how do rationalise or understand the belief that there is a creator, but don't understand that he has the ability to love his creation?

lol, I understand my beliefs. The difference between me and you it seems is that I consult my sources and not just talk off the top of my head just for argument sake. But I can give you dishonest answers that are based on nothing but what's in my ass if you like.