You Don't Necessarily Owe God Anything

[DaRev]

Jay520 said:

DaRev said:

Jay520 said:

Perhaps, but the same could be said for God. Both the BBT and the creationist theory propose that something happened for no reason (well, actually proponents of the BBT don't believe something happened for no reason; they're still investigating the origins of the universe). What makes the BBT more valid is the fact that it doesn't assume the existence of extra beings which we have no evidence of.

If you think there's evidence of a creator, then fine. But how do you know there is only one creator? And how do you know that creator is conscious, all-knowing, all-powerful, and most importantly, all-loving? I mean...how can you add all these traits to it? Saying there was a creator is alerady a stretch, but to add such random traits like being all-loving is ridiculous. It's not necessary to support your audience and just makes it seem even more unbelievable.

Just because we don't know something, doesn't mean we HAVE to jump to a conclusion and blame God. 

Well, you do need some FAITH to answer those questions. Problem is that many people don't have faith. Do you belive there are black holes out in space? Or do you believe in anything you have never or would never see?

You do not need faith to believe in the Big Bang Theory, at least not much of it. The universe is shown now to be expanding. Logic suggest that if you go back in time, the universe would shrink. And if you go back far enough, then you will reach a singular point. 

On the other hand, where is the evidenece for the Christian God. Some people believe there must have been a creator, that's fine. But where is the evidence for only one God? Where is the evidence that He's all powerful? Where is the evidence that He knows everthing? Where is the evidence that He even loves at all, let alone is all-loving. Also, there are dozens upon dozens of interpretations of what the creator(s) supposedly is. Needless to say, the faith required to believe in God is exponentionally greater than the faith required to believe in things live black holes.

When scientists from different times and different parts of the world all agree that there all black holes, and they agree on what black holes actually are, then it's safe to believe they are true. However, no one can point to evidence that there is a creator that's singular, omnibeloved, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, conscious, and eternal, then you could compare the Christian God to Black Holes. AND once everyone can agree on the structure and function of God, then you could compare the Christian God to Black Holes.

Like I said, I can understand the belief in a creator. But to add all those traits is unjustified.

You do realise that many Scientists have come to the conclusion that there MUST be a creator - right?

And how do rationalise or understand the belief that there is a creator, but don't understand that he has the ability to love his creation?