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Which presidential candidate will you vote for?

Barack Obama 356 55.89%
 
Mitt Romney 137 21.51%
 
Gary Johnson 38 5.97%
 
Jill Stein 15 2.35%
 
Somebody else 87 13.66%
 
Total:633
TheShape31 said:
Jill Stein!

By the way, the debates aren't completely over. Next Tuesday on freeandequal.org will be the second debate between the 3rd party candidates. Yesterday was the first, which featured the top 4 (watch the whole things here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDqkenIayAI). There's a runoff vote happening on the website to narrow it down to 2 candidates for next week. Judging by the audience's reactions, it'll be Jill Stein and Gary Johnson.

The top 2 candidates are a complete joke, in my opinion. Nothing will change with either of them in office.

Honestly, I was kind of disappointed by the first freeandequal debate. Stein and Anderson agreed on literally everything, the questions asked were such that Johnson agreed too, and Virgil was kind of borderline insane, but at least he was sincere. It was more a contest of who could yell "I AM BETTER THAN OBAMNEY" the loudest than an actual debate.

Hopefully the second one can be more of a debate between the candidates present, and as such will hopefully focus on issues where Stein and Johnson disagree.



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the2real4mafol said:
gergroy said:
TheShape31 said:
Jill Stein!

By the way, the debates aren't completely over. Next Tuesday on freeandequal.org will be the second debate between the 3rd party candidates. Yesterday was the first, which featured the top 4 (watch the whole things here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDqkenIayAI). There's a runoff vote happening on the website to narrow it down to 2 candidates for next week. Judging by the audience's reactions, it'll be Jill Stein and Gary Johnson.

The top 2 candidates are a complete joke, in my opinion. Nothing will change with either of them in office.


The top 2 may be a joke, but one of them will be president.  Voting for one of this years 3rd parties is essentially abstaining as none of them even have a remote chance of even taking one state.  

I respect your choice of voting 3rd party, but dont pretend they actually have a chance.

I know people always like to say voting 3rd party is a waste of time, but what's worse voting between 2 people who don't represent your political beliefs or "wasting" your vote for someone who wants real change? If people who didn't want democrats or republicans elected, all voted for a 3rd party. I'm sure it would eventually make a dent in the top 2 parties. People just need to stop thinking it's a waste to vote for a 3rd party now. This is a democracy afterall, people can vote for anyone, so they should


It is a waste of a vote though.  Is a vote for a 3rd part going to change who gets elected? No, it wont.  You are essentially not voting by voting 3rd party, at which point, how is it different from staying home?  

Also, the US is a republic, not a democracy.



Slimebeast said:
fordy said:
Slimebeast said:

You mention the Occupy movement and compare it with the uprising in Syria and question if it is representative of something larger. I do not know much about the Occupy movement but do you imply that the Occupy movement is staged?

Now you seem to imply that the uprising in Syria is staged. It is not staged.

Of course the Syrian uprising doesn't represent the whole people. Uprisings almost never do. But it represents the Syrians far better than Assad does.

I do not like muslim theocracies and how Christians and other minorities are increasingly being forced out of the ME and how these post-Arab Spring nations are becoming increasingly hostile towards Israel. But it's the nature of the region. I don't like this artificial situation where we've had dictators run these countries for so long. Let them show their true colors. Let them be religious societies if they wish.

I wish America would invade Saudi-Arabia and put an end to some of the civil wars and genocides in Africa. But that won't happen. But at least America does something while the UN and EU do nothing. I don't deny that America acts upon its selfish interests. I am saying that these interests happen to align with my own interests because I'd rather have America rule the world than a bunch of backwards thinking third world countries, Russia, China and even the EU.

Don't put words into my mouth. There has to be a point where disgruntled protestors are suddenly classed as the "repsressed" of a government, democratic or otherwise. The occupy movement was to demonstrate the use of corporate money in politics, and how it's being used to influence government decisions. They had everyone against them, including the media and corporate entities, who pressured the mayor of New York to shut down the park that they were demonstrating in for "cleaning". Despite protestors taking ont he task and cleaning the park, they still shut it down. It's exactly the same as riots in Syria. The difference? Government control to silence these groups, whether it's through media, force or any other means.

You're missing the point. America does SOMETHING, but that something is purely agenda-based. Who's to say that the new reigimes in Iraq and Afghanistan are not dictatorial (or turn out to be)? America doesnt care. The only thing they care about is whether the new reigime continues to support them or not. So if you're all for removing dictatorial actions of Saudi Arabia, how about America invades Israel and puts a stop to illegal settlements being built? Oh right, you're all for repression of people that you don't agree with..

So why do you bring up Occupy Wallstreet in the first place if you believe both (that and Syria) are legitimate uprisings that should be recognized as such?

Oh wait, I think you assumed I would be the hypocrite and think the Occupy movement was illegitimate while Syria uprising is legit. And actually you are right. I don't have much sympathy for the Occupy movement in its current form. Because in the West we have democracy and ordered means for the people to show their will. I hate street protests as a means of expressing political opinions in the West. It's primitive and unfair and doesn't belong in an advanced civilzed democracy. While in a dictatorship it's the only way possible.

Yes, everything America does is agenda-based. I already admitted that. But you don't understand my point - it's the best we can get at the moment in this world. Because everyone has an agenda, everyone takes sides. And I prefer America's agenda over the rest.

Do you see how odd that sounds? People should NOT speak up with criticism of America, but it's fine to do so in places that America doesn't like, and you don't seem to understand that many capitalist democracies are democracies in name only. The idea of allowing money as speech just gives the wealthy a LOT more speech in this so called "democracy". So what do you do? You can go to your representative, if he will listen to you...you could go to the media, except most of them pander to Washington's request. Protest comes when a group believes there IS no other choice, that their opinion is being supressed and not getting ANY form of recognition or debate. This can still happen in a democracy, and if you cannot see that, then there is no helping you.

Every society in history follows the same rule: a leadership is only as strong as the order they can maintain. This can be through force, propaganda, or other means of persuasion. Yes, even America falls into this, but it's more of a greed stance. "Sure you could overthrow us, but look at all the stuff you're willing to sacrifice for it". It's just a matter of people weighing up what they're willing to lose as opposed to what they have to gain, and believe me, it's slowly coming to America, too. 



the2real4mafol said:
Slimebeast said:
the2real4mafol said:
Slimebeast said:
the2real4mafol said:
Slimebeast said:

I don't think it's about the money, it's about the attitude.

Romney has the right attitude. The current administration is too soft.

All these dictatorships, China, Iran, Russia, North Korea, the Palestinians, and actually most members of the UN, won't thank America if America is soft and overly fair. You need to wear hard gloves against these type of nations. History never thanks the soft.

Obama betrayed Czech Republic and Poland by abandoning the European missile shield in his pathetic attempt to suck up to Russia, only to gain nothing in return.

Obama is too soft on illegal immigrants flooding the USA and if he wins he will implement a huge moratorium about illegals gaining US citizenship.

Obama tries to convince Iran to abandon its nuclear program through negotiations, which is absolutely laughable when not even sanctions would work. War is the only option.

The current administration has been embarrasingly passive on Syria.

And Obama's strategy of offering food to North Korea in exchange for collaboration with the IAEA hasn't worked (The Koreans have just lengthened their program, realizing how benficial it is). Romney has promised to punish North Korea if they don't stop their missile program.

Romney is a stronger friend of Israel than the Democrats. He supports a stronger Israeli position in negotiations with Palestinians and he supports strong American backup for an Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear facilites. We can't wait when it comes to Iran. North Korea aquiring nukes taught us we can't wait.

I also believe it's too early to withdraw from Iraq (and Afghanistan too for that matter). Chaos will follow.

Are you actually serious? America is going bankcrupt, it can't afford anymore pointless and wasteful wars! Be honest with me, what would going to war with Iran, North Korea, The assad regime in Syria or palestine achieve. If you look back on history, you will realise interveneing in this many wars will achieve nothing. Remember, Iraq? very little has been achieved there, even though the war was over 2 years ago, there is little stability there than under Saddam Hussein. Suicide bombers are still a common sight in Baghdad. Proving, America's intervention did little. And what makes you think America alone,can intervene in all this countries? and do you think of the consequences either? Going into syria, will piss off Russia and going into North Korea will piss off China, so it's just foolish to go there. While going into Iran, will only form another anti-Israel/US government afterwards just like in 1979.

America should be a country that pushes it's weigh around a little, but not constantly starting wars all the time, especially if you can't afford it! America should not be an interventionist power any more

That's why I used the words 'powerful empire' and 'strong force for good in the world' in my first post. It's a sacrifice.

i think the age of empires will never happen again, it lead to constant conflict. 

Also, please define "strong force for good in the world". What's good in the world to america is quite different to what's good in the world for russia or china.

For example, is the american- israeli relationship right? I don't think so, because the palestinians are losing their livelihoods and dying, fighting for them. What Israel is doing is wrong, they need peacefully co-exist. not favour the jews over the arabs in everything.

For me it is simple. I agree with USA and disagree with China and Russia on all matters.

Same with Israel - Palestine. I agree with Israel on everything. USA should retain its warm relationship and strong support to Israel. USA is Israel's only true friend and ally.

I understand that but you should at least try to see things from there view point and then make up your mind about who is right.

i feel like i'm getting trolled here reading this.  



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Kasz216 said:
Kantor said:
Kasz216 said:

See... this is what i find funny about assumptive comments.

Slimbeast is from Sweden.

Which is doubly awesome because liberal Americans (especially on Reddit) love to talk about how Sweden is a paradise and the USA is a dump by comparison.

Sweden is sneaky conservative in a lot of areas.  Not quite so much as say... France but still.

People focus so much on Welfare and Healthcare...

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/01/11/the_conservative_europe.html

is a fun piece.

When you have continent of 50 nations of course there are going to be those that are more conservative than others (nations with catholic church usually....). Nations that actually are near the top in pretty much every international ranking are usually the most liberal though...(Nordic countries, Germany, Netherlands, UK etc)



KillerMan said:
Kasz216 said:
Kantor said:
Kasz216 said:

See... this is what i find funny about assumptive comments.

Slimbeast is from Sweden.

Which is doubly awesome because liberal Americans (especially on Reddit) love to talk about how Sweden is a paradise and the USA is a dump by comparison.

Sweden is sneaky conservative in a lot of areas.  Not quite so much as say... France but still.

People focus so much on Welfare and Healthcare...

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/01/11/the_conservative_europe.html

is a fun piece.

When you have continent of 47 nations of course there are going to be those that are more conservative than others (nations with catholic church usually....). Nations that actually are near the top in pretty much every international ranking are usually the most liberal though...(Nordic countries, Germany, Netherlands, UK etc)

I'd look at the article, a lot of stuff in it applies directly to the countries you've mentioned.

I'm not sure there is a more fiscally conservative country then Germany for example... due to the huge influence of the Freiberg school of economics.  Hell, Germany has no minium wage.



gergroy said:

the2real4mafol said:
gergroy said:
TheShape31 said:
Jill Stein!

By the way, the debates aren't completely over. Next Tuesday on freeandequal.org will be the second debate between the 3rd party candidates. Yesterday was the first, which featured the top 4 (watch the whole things here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDqkenIayAI). There's a runoff vote happening on the website to narrow it down to 2 candidates for next week. Judging by the audience's reactions, it'll be Jill Stein and Gary Johnson.

The top 2 candidates are a complete joke, in my opinion. Nothing will change with either of them in office.


The top 2 may be a joke, but one of them will be president.  Voting for one of this years 3rd parties is essentially abstaining as none of them even have a remote chance of even taking one state.  

I respect your choice of voting 3rd party, but dont pretend they actually have a chance.

I know people always like to say voting 3rd party is a waste of time, but what's worse voting between 2 people who don't represent your political beliefs or "wasting" your vote for someone who wants real change? If people who didn't want democrats or republicans elected, all voted for a 3rd party. I'm sure it would eventually make a dent in the top 2 parties. People just need to stop thinking it's a waste to vote for a 3rd party now. This is a democracy afterall, people can vote for anyone, so they should

It is a waste of a vote though.  Is a vote for a 3rd part going to change who gets elected? No, it wont.  You are essentially not voting by voting 3rd party, at which point, how is it different from staying home?  

Also, the US is a republic, not a democracy.


Gergroy, you become part of the political money machine when you say it's a waste of a vote.  The republicans and democrats own all of the election commisions and make up their own electorial rules/laws in order to keep their opposition invisible.  To protest that is to vote against them.  But it's more than just voting against them in the end, it's voting for the one person you think would make things better than anyone else.  That's the reason to vote, and it's something that people forget about.  The public is brainwashed into thinking that there can be only one of two people elected.  And if you believe it, then I'm sorry but you're just another pawn that the Republicrats control.  You've been purchased.  You need to wake up, and realize that there are far more than two choices.  And those two choices will keep things the same as they ever were, and you should vote for Obamney.  That's your right.  But don't tell me what my vote is worth when you don't know any better.

 

Kantor said:
TheShape31 said:
Jill Stein!

By the way, the debates aren't completely over. Next Tuesday on freeandequal.org will be the second debate between the 3rd party candidates. Yesterday was the first, which featured the top 4 (watch the whole things here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDqkenIayAI). There's a runoff vote happening on the website to narrow it down to 2 candidates for next week. Judging by the audience's reactions, it'll be Jill Stein and Gary Johnson.

The top 2 candidates are a complete joke, in my opinion. Nothing will change with either of them in office.

Honestly, I was kind of disappointed by the first freeandequal debate. Stein and Anderson agreed on literally everything, the questions asked were such that Johnson agreed too, and Virgil was kind of borderline insane, but at least he was sincere. It was more a contest of who could yell "I AM BETTER THAN OBAMNEY" the loudest than an actual debate.

Hopefully the second one can be more of a debate between the candidates present, and as such will hopefully focus on issues where Stein and Johnson disagree.


I don't know about you, but at least I finally got to hear candidates talking about things that I both care about and agree with (aside from Mr. Goode).  The debate functioned more as an introduction of the candidates to the public.  It was a very short period of time to say as much as they could, and I think they realized that by quibbling over things that time might be wasted.  I hope, as well, that on Tuesday the FreeAndEqual debate #2 has them going at each other in order to showcase their respective differences.  And I'll put it this way - The Obamney debates bored me to death after 5 minutes, while FreeAndEqual kept me watching the whole way.  One set of candidates was speaking to me, the other set was not.  I'm just glad that these 3rd party debates are happening at all.  These sorts of opportunities are new, and it shows that public interest in these parties has come a long way.



Kasz216 said:
KillerMan said:
Kasz216 said:
Kantor said:
Kasz216 said:

See... this is what i find funny about assumptive comments.

Slimbeast is from Sweden.

Which is doubly awesome because liberal Americans (especially on Reddit) love to talk about how Sweden is a paradise and the USA is a dump by comparison.

Sweden is sneaky conservative in a lot of areas.  Not quite so much as say... France but still.

People focus so much on Welfare and Healthcare...

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/01/11/the_conservative_europe.html

is a fun piece.

When you have continent of 47 nations of course there are going to be those that are more conservative than others (nations with catholic church usually....). Nations that actually are near the top in pretty much every international ranking are usually the most liberal though...(Nordic countries, Germany, Netherlands, UK etc)

I'd look at the article, a lot of stuff in it applies directly to the countries you've mentioned.

I'm not sure there is a more fiscally conservative country then Germany for example... due to the huge influence of the Freiberg school of economics.  Hell, Germany has no minium wage.


Well yeah maybe I should have seperated fiscal and social conservativism but even in fiscal sense germany has universal healthcare and completely free education system up to tertiary education so it seems like they use their own mixed conservative/ liberal policies when in comes to economy. Socially Germany is highly liberal though.



TheShape31 said:

gergroy said:

the2real4mafol said:
gergroy said:
TheShape31 said:
Jill Stein!

By the way, the debates aren't completely over. Next Tuesday on freeandequal.org will be the second debate between the 3rd party candidates. Yesterday was the first, which featured the top 4 (watch the whole things here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDqkenIayAI). There's a runoff vote happening on the website to narrow it down to 2 candidates for next week. Judging by the audience's reactions, it'll be Jill Stein and Gary Johnson.

The top 2 candidates are a complete joke, in my opinion. Nothing will change with either of them in office.


The top 2 may be a joke, but one of them will be president.  Voting for one of this years 3rd parties is essentially abstaining as none of them even have a remote chance of even taking one state.  

I respect your choice of voting 3rd party, but dont pretend they actually have a chance.

I know people always like to say voting 3rd party is a waste of time, but what's worse voting between 2 people who don't represent your political beliefs or "wasting" your vote for someone who wants real change? If people who didn't want democrats or republicans elected, all voted for a 3rd party. I'm sure it would eventually make a dent in the top 2 parties. People just need to stop thinking it's a waste to vote for a 3rd party now. This is a democracy afterall, people can vote for anyone, so they should

It is a waste of a vote though.  Is a vote for a 3rd part going to change who gets elected? No, it wont.  You are essentially not voting by voting 3rd party, at which point, how is it different from staying home?  

Also, the US is a republic, not a democracy.


Gergroy, you become part of the political money machine when you say it's a waste of a vote.  The republicans and democrats own all of the election commisions and make up their own electorial rules/laws in order to keep their opposition invisible.  To protest that is to vote against them.  But it's more than just voting against them in the end, it's voting for the one person you think would make things better than anyone else.  That's the reason to vote, and it's something that people forget about.  The public is brainwashed into thinking that there can be only one of two people elected.  And if you believe it, then I'm sorry but you're just another pawn that the Republicrats control.  You've been purchased.  You need to wake up, and realize that there are far more than two choices.  And those two choices will keep things the same as they ever were, and you should vote for Obamney.  That's your right.  But don't tell me what my vote is worth when you don't know any better.

 

Kantor said:
TheShape31 said:
Jill Stein!

By the way, the debates aren't completely over. Next Tuesday on freeandequal.org will be the second debate between the 3rd party candidates. Yesterday was the first, which featured the top 4 (watch the whole things here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDqkenIayAI). There's a runoff vote happening on the website to narrow it down to 2 candidates for next week. Judging by the audience's reactions, it'll be Jill Stein and Gary Johnson.

The top 2 candidates are a complete joke, in my opinion. Nothing will change with either of them in office.

Honestly, I was kind of disappointed by the first freeandequal debate. Stein and Anderson agreed on literally everything, the questions asked were such that Johnson agreed too, and Virgil was kind of borderline insane, but at least he was sincere. It was more a contest of who could yell "I AM BETTER THAN OBAMNEY" the loudest than an actual debate.

Hopefully the second one can be more of a debate between the candidates present, and as such will hopefully focus on issues where Stein and Johnson disagree.


I don't know about you, but at least I finally got to hear candidates talking about things that I both care about and agree with (aside from Mr. Goode).  The debate functioned more as an introduction of the candidates to the public.  It was a very short period of time to say as much as they could, and I think they realized that by quibbling over things that time might be wasted.  I hope, as well, that on Tuesday the FreeAndEqual debate #2 has them going at each other in order to showcase their respective differences.  And I'll put it this way - The Obamney debates bored me to death after 5 minutes, while FreeAndEqual kept me watching the whole way.  One set of candidates was speaking to me, the other set was not.  I'm just glad that these 3rd party debates are happening at all.  These sorts of opportunities are new, and it shows that public interest in these parties has come a long way.

One of us doesnt know any better, that is for sure.  We will have to agree to disagree on who that is.

im certainly not oposed to voting third party, but they first need to put up a credible candidate and then they need to gain enough support to be relevant.  None of the third parties this year has done that.

gary johnson is just a reublican candidate that wasnt good enough to cut it in the major party.  Rocky anderson was my mayor and one of the worst politicians i know of. Jill stein isnt bad, but she has no experience which basically eliminates her from being a credible candidate. None of them are polling anywhere near relevant status.

there is no relevant 3rd party candidate this year and the only impact they will have on this election is people complaining that thèy played a spoiler role for one of the two major candidates.

like i said before, i respect your right to vote 3rd party.  Go for it, but dont delude yourself into thinking these 3rd parties have a chance to win.