TheShape31 said:
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gergroy said:
the2real4mafol said:
gergroy said:
TheShape31 said:
Jill Stein!
By the way, the debates aren't completely over. Next Tuesday on freeandequal.org will be the second debate between the 3rd party candidates. Yesterday was the first, which featured the top 4 (watch the whole things here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDqkenIayAI). There's a runoff vote happening on the website to narrow it down to 2 candidates for next week. Judging by the audience's reactions, it'll be Jill Stein and Gary Johnson.
The top 2 candidates are a complete joke, in my opinion. Nothing will change with either of them in office. |
The top 2 may be a joke, but one of them will be president. Voting for one of this years 3rd parties is essentially abstaining as none of them even have a remote chance of even taking one state.
I respect your choice of voting 3rd party, but dont pretend they actually have a chance.
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I know people always like to say voting 3rd party is a waste of time, but what's worse voting between 2 people who don't represent your political beliefs or "wasting" your vote for someone who wants real change? If people who didn't want democrats or republicans elected, all voted for a 3rd party. I'm sure it would eventually make a dent in the top 2 parties. People just need to stop thinking it's a waste to vote for a 3rd party now. This is a democracy afterall, people can vote for anyone, so they should
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It is a waste of a vote though. Is a vote for a 3rd part going to change who gets elected? No, it wont. You are essentially not voting by voting 3rd party, at which point, how is it different from staying home?
Also, the US is a republic, not a democracy.
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Gergroy, you become part of the political money machine when you say it's a waste of a vote. The republicans and democrats own all of the election commisions and make up their own electorial rules/laws in order to keep their opposition invisible. To protest that is to vote against them. But it's more than just voting against them in the end, it's voting for the one person you think would make things better than anyone else. That's the reason to vote, and it's something that people forget about. The public is brainwashed into thinking that there can be only one of two people elected. And if you believe it, then I'm sorry but you're just another pawn that the Republicrats control. You've been purchased. You need to wake up, and realize that there are far more than two choices. And those two choices will keep things the same as they ever were, and you should vote for Obamney. That's your right. But don't tell me what my vote is worth when you don't know any better.
Kantor said:
TheShape31 said:
Jill Stein!
By the way, the debates aren't completely over. Next Tuesday on freeandequal.org will be the second debate between the 3rd party candidates. Yesterday was the first, which featured the top 4 (watch the whole things here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDqkenIayAI). There's a runoff vote happening on the website to narrow it down to 2 candidates for next week. Judging by the audience's reactions, it'll be Jill Stein and Gary Johnson.
The top 2 candidates are a complete joke, in my opinion. Nothing will change with either of them in office. |
Honestly, I was kind of disappointed by the first freeandequal debate. Stein and Anderson agreed on literally everything, the questions asked were such that Johnson agreed too, and Virgil was kind of borderline insane, but at least he was sincere. It was more a contest of who could yell "I AM BETTER THAN OBAMNEY" the loudest than an actual debate.
Hopefully the second one can be more of a debate between the candidates present, and as such will hopefully focus on issues where Stein and Johnson disagree.
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I don't know about you, but at least I finally got to hear candidates talking about things that I both care about and agree with (aside from Mr. Goode). The debate functioned more as an introduction of the candidates to the public. It was a very short period of time to say as much as they could, and I think they realized that by quibbling over things that time might be wasted. I hope, as well, that on Tuesday the FreeAndEqual debate #2 has them going at each other in order to showcase their respective differences. And I'll put it this way - The Obamney debates bored me to death after 5 minutes, while FreeAndEqual kept me watching the whole way. One set of candidates was speaking to me, the other set was not. I'm just glad that these 3rd party debates are happening at all. These sorts of opportunities are new, and it shows that public interest in these parties has come a long way.
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One of us doesnt know any better, that is for sure. We will have to agree to disagree on who that is.
im certainly not oposed to voting third party, but they first need to put up a credible candidate and then they need to gain enough support to be relevant. None of the third parties this year has done that.
gary johnson is just a reublican candidate that wasnt good enough to cut it in the major party. Rocky anderson was my mayor and one of the worst politicians i know of. Jill stein isnt bad, but she has no experience which basically eliminates her from being a credible candidate. None of them are polling anywhere near relevant status.
there is no relevant 3rd party candidate this year and the only impact they will have on this election is people complaining that thèy played a spoiler role for one of the two major candidates.
like i said before, i respect your right to vote 3rd party. Go for it, but dont delude yourself into thinking these 3rd parties have a chance to win.
