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Which presidential candidate will you vote for?

Barack Obama 356 55.89%
 
Mitt Romney 137 21.51%
 
Gary Johnson 38 5.97%
 
Jill Stein 15 2.35%
 
Somebody else 87 13.66%
 
Total:633
fordy said:
Slimebeast said:
fordy said:
Slimebeast said:

No, Im not facetious.

Yes, America absolutely is powerful! But Obama is too weak in his foreign policies. He's a bad negotiator, giving away American interests for free without getting something in return, not even much respect. America needs to be tougher against rogue states, tougher against Russia and China and against corrupt institutions such as the UN. And America needs to take back the global initiative, to become pro-active again in international conflicts.


So in other words, you want America to tell other countries what to do, right? The UN is suddenly corrupt because China and Russia's voices count, too. Well how about we remove their veto power from the security council, as long as America loses theirs, too. It's only fair...

You're talking as if America decides things without an agenda, but this is far from the case. they have just as much of an agenda as China and Russia do. Russia defends the Syrian reigime because it's their last air base in the middle east. America opposes the Syrian reigime because it's Russia's last air base in the middle east. You can go ahead and say it's all about human rights all you want, but where was America when Egypt were in the process of evicting Mubarak, who was in Israel's (and therefore America's) pocket? America only enacts when it's in THEIR interests.

First, American interests happen to be my interests .

Second, American interests are much more often morally right than Chinese and Russian interests, no matter the original motive.

Same with the UN. More than half of its members are dictatorships or very primitive democracies who don't know right from wrong. Their barbaric thinking is "blame America first" and condemn Israel no matter what.

So yes I want America to tell other countries what to do when it comes to important matters where they're right.

America stopped the genocide in Bosnia.

America tried to stop the genocide in Somalia.

America crushed the Talibans of Afghanistan.

America eliminated Saddam Hussein in Iraq.

America stopped the genocide in Kosovo.

America stopped the genocide and eliminated Muammar Khadaffi in Libya.

America eliminated Usama Bin Ladin.

And with Mitt Romney in power America would also eliminate Assad in Syria and prevent Iran from getting nukes.

None of these things would have been achieved without America. The EU and the UN have done nothing to solve international conflicts.


Happy with your informative media? All you need are a few alertist reports stating that the leader of a country you've probably never even heard of before is bad, and does bad things, and you're right on board. What happened to those Iraqi WMDs huh? And let's not forget who SUPPORTED Saddam during the Iran-Iraq war. I'll give you a hint, it's the same people you're talking up right now.

Yeah just what we need. You didn't think that if America gets more involved with Syria, Russia's last ally of the middle east that it would be a good precursor to WW3? Tell me, were you for or against the Occupy movements in Washington, because you appear to have taken sides with Syria already. And what if the revolutionaries of Syria that you're willing to support decide to adopt a theocratic government like Egypt did? Would you still be behind them?

Keep reading that alarmist news that Iranian nukes are just around the corner, or perhaps it was Netanyahu's intricate diagram that persuaded you?

What are you trying to say, that the Iranian regime are good people and we should respect their decision to ignore the IAEA and aquire nukes?

It's a fact that Iranian nukes are around the corner, less than five years and there's no going back.

The Syria-Russia issue. Obama is making the wrong analysis here. He's too soft on Russia. Russia is flexing its muscles and being angry because it lost so much of the respect it once had and because Russia's opinion was ignored about the Kosovo war in 1999 and Libya in 2011. But it's just a show because Russia's muscles are in reality very thin. USA could easily bully Russia back into submission (with the help from the EU) like they were pre-Putin. Instead Obama is giving the Russians much more space than they deserve.

Any talk about a WW3 is laughable. Russia is far too weak. They're just using strong words but in reality they don't have any muscles. Obviously they don't have any interest in a conflict, but I mean weak in the sense that they wouldn't even try to scare. The Russia show is all about words and obstruction in the Security Council, they don't have the resources to send aircraft carriers to show true strength. They will never become a huge geo-political power again, even though they are very determined to try.

It's not about Russia's military base in Syria because it's lost already and in reality it has no big strategic importance (because Russia's influence in the Middle East is already so small compared to the past). Russia too knows that Assad's days are numbered and that the base is lost, they just want to lengthen and obstruct the process and not make it too easy for the West, like it was in Libya. The Syria issue and Russia's veto is all about Russian pride and how Russia is working to get its respect back in world politics.

About Syria and the revolution. Yes, the Sunni muslims will come to power and retaliate on the Alawites and Christians and we will get a second humanitarian crysis, and the future state will resemble a theocracy, and that's all very unfortunate, but I still support that process because it reflects the true will of the people in Syria. It's the nature of that region. We in the West can deal with that when that time comes. Dictatorships to keep unstable societies in check is an artificial solution that needs to end.



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binary solo said:
I figured Jill Stein wasn;t getting any love so I ticked her, and I was right. Also in some online "who are you ideologically closest to" thing I did a while back it ended up being that I was 92% like Stein.

I can't vote of course so I've biased the result.


I got 88% with Ron Paul. Funny thing, Romney was i think like 58% while Obama was like 51%. Those were my top 1, 2, and 3...



looking forward to the election,i'd be voting right if i was an american



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You know, i hear liberal posters on here complaining all the time about vgchartz is just full of conservatives. I think this poll is a good indicator of just the opposite...



gergroy said:
You know, i hear liberal posters on here complaigning all the time about vgchartz is just full of conservatives. I think this poll is a good indicator of just the opposite...


Oh definatly. Before the debate even started on Monday night Obama had close to 50 votes which made up of 75% at the time.



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of course it's more liberal,people are more young and wide eyed,i don't get how people think it's more right wing on here

edit-people want 16 year olds voting where i am,i wouldn't let 16yr olds do anything more than get out of bed let alone direct where a country should go,i find it astonishing



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Here is the way I see it all:

1. Obama has not been a good president. Debates will always be made between Obama and Bush on who was worse. Both have increased the debt immensely. Both ran massive budget deficits. Both have made questionable decisions abroad in foreign policy and use of force. Obama has done an amazing amount of pandering to different groups and electioneering. Whether you blame Republicans in Congress or Obama for the debt ceiling, tax increases, fiscal cliff is beside the point. The fact is fiscal problems have not been solved and they have gotten worse on the long term scale and to the point where there isn't much time left before a debt crisis. Obama did not get a deal done. Who really believes he is going to become more moderate when its his last term and knows that he doesn't have to worry about re-election. He is in fact a Leftist big government spending politician. Thats just simply who he is. He is no moderate when it comes to Government spending. His 2nd term agenda is a best vague and we can't expect any serious changes. Obama and his administration is in the midst of a possible "cover up" or serious miscommunication failure in the situation that happened in Benghazi. There was so much conflicting information coming from White House officials and Obama himself when we have recently learned that the White House knew within Hours that a terrorist organization claimed responsibility for the attack. Yet they seemed to keep bringing up a anti Islam video as an excuse. The State Department had LIVE feed from a drone of what was taking place in Benghazi. When asked about the video from that an official claimed they no longer were in possession of it. The whole situation is a mess and there are so many unanswered questions. This is only going to get worse. All that to say This President no matter how "likeable" he may be he has been a failure to bring real fiscal change and be transparent as he suggested he would be in 08.

2. There are other candidates that I think would do a much better job at tackling debt, the deficit, and entitlements to at least get America back on track. the problem is none of them will even have a chance at winning. Everyone realizes that is just a fact of how this process is going to turn out. This means we are essentially forced to make the ultimate choice between two candidates again. This is frustrating but its the way it is in this election.

3. Mitt Romney while I am not fond of in certain terms and not sure how he will handle foreign issues seems to be the only other choice than Obama. I at least think Romney would at worst be like Bush or Obama on foreign issues. Not sure he could really be much worse. In the debates he seems to claim he will use different strategies in connecting with the Muslim world but we will see. What I am most concerned about is the Deficit, Debt, and entitlements. It is truly getting out of hand. All I can see is the past record of Romney. He has balanced budgets in Business, Olympics, and as Governor. You can question is social views, and foreign policy views, but I do think he will be better than Obama about applying some brakes to the fiscal problems. He is the only one that seems to be willing to do something about out of control entitlements.

4.  I am not just going to sit back and not vote this election, because I don't fully agree with the two main guys. I am also not going to just throw my vote at a 3rd candidate that has no chance. One thing that sticks out in my mind is that Obama cannot have a 2nd term because I do believe that the problems WILL get much worse. If my overall view is that I KNOW Obama will be destructive then I have to try to push him out of government with my vote. Really the only way to have a chance at that is to vote for Romney. Honestly in my opinion many of Obama's decisions have been horrible. I don't think its worth it to allow a chance for him to have another term. In my mind he would be much worse in terms of fiscal issues and I could definitely see us going over the cliff with his 2nd term because no proof has shown that he can get serious things done. Spending MUST be cut. I KNOW what Obama has done and so I know what he likely will do. With Romney he has a history of balancing budgets. Thats enough for me.

 I care about my country too much to risk it on giving a 2nd term to a President that I KNOW is a hard leftist who's core beliefs reside in growing government, and more spending in the belief that it will fix problems. With a Debt Crisis on the horizon there is no way I can risk that with the evidence on his lack of progress. At Obama's core he is a redistributionist with socialistic views who does not like capitalism and thinks it needs to be burdened with immense government restrictions.




Slimebeast said:
fordy said:
Slimebeast said:
fordy said:
Slimebeast said:

No, Im not facetious.

Yes, America absolutely is powerful! But Obama is too weak in his foreign policies. He's a bad negotiator, giving away American interests for free without getting something in return, not even much respect. America needs to be tougher against rogue states, tougher against Russia and China and against corrupt institutions such as the UN. And America needs to take back the global initiative, to become pro-active again in international conflicts.


So in other words, you want America to tell other countries what to do, right? The UN is suddenly corrupt because China and Russia's voices count, too. Well how about we remove their veto power from the security council, as long as America loses theirs, too. It's only fair...

You're talking as if America decides things without an agenda, but this is far from the case. they have just as much of an agenda as China and Russia do. Russia defends the Syrian reigime because it's their last air base in the middle east. America opposes the Syrian reigime because it's Russia's last air base in the middle east. You can go ahead and say it's all about human rights all you want, but where was America when Egypt were in the process of evicting Mubarak, who was in Israel's (and therefore America's) pocket? America only enacts when it's in THEIR interests.

First, American interests happen to be my interests .

Second, American interests are much more often morally right than Chinese and Russian interests, no matter the original motive.

Same with the UN. More than half of its members are dictatorships or very primitive democracies who don't know right from wrong. Their barbaric thinking is "blame America first" and condemn Israel no matter what.

So yes I want America to tell other countries what to do when it comes to important matters where they're right.

America stopped the genocide in Bosnia.

America tried to stop the genocide in Somalia.

America crushed the Talibans of Afghanistan.

America eliminated Saddam Hussein in Iraq.

America stopped the genocide in Kosovo.

America stopped the genocide and eliminated Muammar Khadaffi in Libya.

America eliminated Usama Bin Ladin.

And with Mitt Romney in power America would also eliminate Assad in Syria and prevent Iran from getting nukes.

None of these things would have been achieved without America. The EU and the UN have done nothing to solve international conflicts.


Happy with your informative media? All you need are a few alertist reports stating that the leader of a country you've probably never even heard of before is bad, and does bad things, and you're right on board. What happened to those Iraqi WMDs huh? And let's not forget who SUPPORTED Saddam during the Iran-Iraq war. I'll give you a hint, it's the same people you're talking up right now.

Yeah just what we need. You didn't think that if America gets more involved with Syria, Russia's last ally of the middle east that it would be a good precursor to WW3? Tell me, were you for or against the Occupy movements in Washington, because you appear to have taken sides with Syria already. And what if the revolutionaries of Syria that you're willing to support decide to adopt a theocratic government like Egypt did? Would you still be behind them?

Keep reading that alarmist news that Iranian nukes are just around the corner, or perhaps it was Netanyahu's intricate diagram that persuaded you?

What are you trying to say, that the Iranian regime are good people and we should respect their decision to ignore the IAEA and aquire nukes?

It's a fact that Iranian nukes are around the corner, less than five years and there's no going back.

The Syria-Russia issue. Obama is making the wrong analysis here. He's too soft on Russia. Russia is flexing its muscles and being angry because it lost so much of the respect it once had and because Russia's opinion was ignored about the Kosovo war in 1999 and Libya in 2011. But it's just a show because Russia's muscles are in reality very thin. USA could easily bully Russia back into submission (with the help from the EU) like they were pre-Putin. Instead Obama is giving the Russians much more space than they deserve.

Any talk about a WW3 is laughable. Russia is far too weak. They're just using strong words but in reality they don't have any muscles. Obviously they don't have any interest in a conflict, but I mean weak in the sense that they wouldn't even try to scare. The Russia show is all about words and obstruction in the Security Council, they don't have the resources to send aircraft carriers to show true strength. They will never become a huge geo-political power again, even though they are very determined to try.

It's not about Russia's military base in Syria because it's lost already and in reality it has no big strategic importance (because Russia's influence in the Middle East is already so small compared to the past). Russia too knows that Assad's days are numbered and that the base is lost, they just want to lengthen and obstruct the process and not make it too easy for the West, like it was in Libya. The Syria issue and Russia's veto is all about Russian pride and how Russia is working to get its respect back in world politics.

About Syria and the revolution. Yes, the Sunni muslims will come to power and retaliate on the Alawites and Christians and we will get a second humanitarian crysis, and the future state will resemble a theocracy, and that's all very unfortunate, but I still support that process because it reflects the true will of the people in Syria. It's the nature of that region. We in the West can deal with that when that time comes. Dictatorships to keep unstable societies in check is an artificial solution that needs to end.

You do realise that a lot of the theocratic rule over in the middle east is a response to Zionist activities around the area, right? How exactly do you know the "true will of the people in Syria"? For all we know, it could be their version of the Occupy movements. The point of this is, both America AND Russia picked their sides before this conflect grew to such a size, and they did it based on what they think was best for them. As such, the media of both countries is working freverently to create theis image of Syria to suit the respective agendas of America and Russia. Would you still be for the rebels if there were fewer of them? How many are needed to declare a state is "out of control", or are you basing this on something else? Should East Timor have NOT become independent because of the few rebels who were still fighting to keep it as part of Indonesia? By your reasoning, that's the will of the people, the ones who are fighting.

Dictatorships need to end, huh? So you're all for America invading their ally Saudi Arabia and relieving people of the dictatorship there? Remember that there were protests there, except their government had a lot more control over the situation and quickly silenced it. We can't go cherry-picking on who we want to liberate, right? If America wants to look like a selfless country, they should liberate countries that they also have alliances with, not just ones they believe will create a western-friendly leadership there.

What about Africa? Plenty of dictatorships there, but for some reaosn, America doesn't seem as concerned with liberating those. Why could that be? 



Kasz216 said:
fordy said:
Slimebeast said:
fordy said:
Slimebeast said:

No, Im not facetious.

Yes, America absolutely is powerful! But Obama is too weak in his foreign policies. He's a bad negotiator, giving away American interests for free without getting something in return, not even much respect. America needs to be tougher against rogue states, tougher against Russia and China and against corrupt institutions such as the UN. And America needs to take back the global initiative, to become pro-active again in international conflicts.


So in other words, you want America to tell other countries what to do, right? The UN is suddenly corrupt because China and Russia's voices count, too. Well how about we remove their veto power from the security council, as long as America loses theirs, too. It's only fair...

You're talking as if America decides things without an agenda, but this is far from the case. they have just as much of an agenda as China and Russia do. Russia defends the Syrian reigime because it's their last air base in the middle east. America opposes the Syrian reigime because it's Russia's last air base in the middle east. You can go ahead and say it's all about human rights all you want, but where was America when Egypt were in the process of evicting Mubarak, who was in Israel's (and therefore America's) pocket? America only enacts when it's in THEIR interests.

First, American interests happen to be my interests .

Second, American interests are much more often morally right than Chinese and Russian interests, no matter the original motive.

Same with the UN. More than half of its members are dictatorships or very primitive democracies who don't know right from wrong. Their barbaric thinking is "blame America first" and condemn Israel no matter what.

So yes I want America to tell other countries what to do when it comes to important matters where they're right.

America stopped the genocide in Bosnia.

America tried to stop the genocide in Somalia.

America crushed the Talibans of Afghanistan.

America eliminated Saddam Hussein in Iraq.

America stopped the genocide in Kosovo.

America stopped the genocide and eliminated Muammar Khadaffi in Libya.

America eliminated Usama Bin Ladin.

And with Mitt Romney in power America would also eliminate Assad in Syria and prevent Iran from getting nukes.

None of these things would have been achieved without America. The EU and the UN have done nothing to solve international conflicts.


Happy with your informative media? All you need are a few alertist reports stating that the leader of a country you've probably never even heard of before is bad, and does bad things, and you're right on board. What happened to those Iraqi WMDs huh? And let's not forget who SUPPORTED Saddam during the Iran-Iraq war. I'll give you a hint, it's the same people you're talking up right now.

Yeah just what we need. You didn't think that if America gets more involved with Syria, Russia's last ally of the middle east that it would be a good precursor to WW3? Tell me, were you for or against the Occupy movements in Washington, because you appear to have taken sides with Syria already. And what if the revolutionaries of Syria that you're willing to support decide to adopt a theocratic government like Egypt did? Would you still be behind them?

Keep reading that alarmist news that Iranian nukes are just around the corner, or perhaps it was Netanyahu's intricate diagram that persuaded you?

See... this is what i find funny about assumptive comments.

Slimbeast is from Sweden.


I know. I'm from Australia. What's your point?

Are you saying that people outside of America are not entitled to an opinion on how the world is going?



Kasz216 said:

See... this is what i find funny about assumptive comments.

Slimbeast is from Sweden.

Which is doubly awesome because liberal Americans (especially on Reddit) love to talk about how Sweden is a paradise and the USA is a dump by comparison.



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