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Chark on 22 October 2012
JWeinCom said:
Chark said:

 Yes it is a rip off of the concept, but how else are you suppose to make a damn game like this. It is not a clone, it plays differently and from what I see it is more complex and interesting. SSB is a great game, I love that game, it doesn't need to be on an island of its own.


It's a rip off but not a clone?  Come on we're splitting hairs here.  If you're find with it being a clone or a ripoff or whatever, that's fine and I hope you enjoy your game.


Rip off and clone are different things. A rip off would be just in concept while a clone would be more of a duplicate (imagine if PSASBR had percentage health bars and characters like Fat Princess had inflated multi jump floating or sword characters had the same swings as Zelda or Marth). Rip off has negative conotations, really it is best to say they are in the same genre. This whole rip off issue is crazy, SSB wasn't the first brawler time game either, they just made the best with mascots. Sony can do the same thing, if it was a clone they could be taken to court, of course there isn't grounds for that no matter how bad certain fans clamour. It's an avoidance of truth.



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JoeTheBro on 22 October 2012
teigaga said:
Sorry I didn't even read the post but I've played it and it's a clone. It exists only because super smash bros, the controls and number of characters moves mimic smash bros completely. It does have its own unique features and twist, but it still a clone.

This doesn't matter to me, I'm buying it day one :D
ethomaz said:

I didn't read the article but I agree... I played and the game is not a clone.
Chandler said:
It's not a clone, it's a rip-off. There's a difference. Fo' sho', bro
namdo said:
It's a rip-off definitely. But it plays differently. It is no way better than any smash bros game and it isn't as fun.
alastor@where said:
PSASBR is a ripoff for sure. Played the Vita beta and they even ripped off the likes of the announcer from Smash bros. In my opinion though its plays worse then Smash bros. Also Sony were way too dependant on the third party characters. They have other good first party characters but they stuck with some weird ones.
Metrium said:
When a game is made purely to cash in on a other game's success I consider it a clone. This game would'nt exist if Brawl did'nt sell over 10million and melee over 7million.
Deoz said:

After the beta,the meta will kill this game.
JWeinCom said:
Yeah, it's a rip off. They took the concept from Nintendo wholesale, they took 90% of the control scheme, 90% of the physics engine, 90% of the presentation, 90% of the aesthetics and so on. I was playing it at a store demo for about half an hour yesterday and literally every person that stopped to look at it said "oh that looks like Smash Brothers". The only major change that's been made is in the KO system. You don't change one thing and have a brand new game.

If you're ok with the game being a rip off, than that's fine. I sincerely hope you enjoy the game. But please, let's not ignore the obvious. Smash Bros. made tons of creative changes to the fighting genre, and because of that it spawned a successful franchise and tons of imitators. PASBR adds just about nothing to the genre and as a result will be a footnote in gaming history.

Teriol said:

its a clone (from smashbros) and the think that surprise me is not that... is that the game is no 50% the fun  smasbros is.

DieAppleDie said:
Its not a clone but its mostly a copy


Correct me if I'm wrong but non of you actually read the interview, correct? Read it first, then express your opinions.



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JWeinCom on 22 October 2012
o_O.Q said:
JWeinCom said:
miz1q2w3e said:
So what if it is? Why do people think that's such a bad thing?


I think most people would agree that profiting off of the works of others is a bad thing.  Even if you're not talking about moral implications, it's worse for gamers.  Games that break the mold, challenge conventions, and change things up advance their respective genres.  Something like Heavy Rain or Shadow of the Colossus moves the industry forward while something like PASBR stagnates.

 

why aren't you criticising nintendo for releasing super mario bros u, pikmin 3 etc?

i'd think that if you were so concerned over the lack of new ideas in gaming you'd be far more critical of what nintendo has been doing 

how many actual new ips has nintendo themselves been developing for launch window in comparison to old ( imo overused ) ips?

Are you seriously trying to complain that Nintendo is creating the third entry in an original franchise like Pikmin in about ten years?

But anyway, this is a strawman argument, and I'm not going to respond to it.  If you'd like to debate about Nintendo's overall IP development, you could make another topic for that, and I'll be glad to discuss it there.  But, this topic is about PASBR, and my comments were about PASBR, so lets focus on that.

@Chark-  Copyright infringement is a very tricky thing.  Just because something isn't actionable doesn't mean its not a rip off.  And what mascot brawlers were similar to Smash Bros? We're not complaining that Sony is making a mascot brawler.  The complaint is that Sony made a game that is incredibly similar to Smash Bros and blatantly takes ideas.



Lafiel on 22 October 2012
Flanneryaug said:
VGKing said:
Flanneryaug said:

I tried out the demo for this game yesterday, and it plays differently than smash bros, even if it is a rip off. However, while it can be fun at first to try out the characters, and their supers, there are many problems with the game. The characters are unbalanced, and the stages are uninteresting. I recommend that anyone considering buying this game try out the demo for a while to see if they enjoy it.


First of all, there's only like 6 characters in the beta, second of all, there are only 2 stages in the beta.

There is no demo, only a beta. This beta is months old. Omar already said that the UI and graphics in the game are outdated.

Actually, there is a demo. I tried it out yesterday at Walmart. It had Kratos, Jak, Big Daddy, and Parappa. Kratos was clearly overpowered, and Big Daddy is so slow he's virtually unplayable.

In the beta Parappa feels better than Kratos to me though, because his supers are easier to make full use of.



thehusbo on 22 October 2012

agreed. if you have played both games you would know theres alot of differences.



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JWeinCom on 22 October 2012
Lafiel said:
Flanneryaug said:
VGKing said:
Flanneryaug said:

I tried out the demo for this game yesterday, and it plays differently than smash bros, even if it is a rip off. However, while it can be fun at first to try out the characters, and their supers, there are many problems with the game. The characters are unbalanced, and the stages are uninteresting. I recommend that anyone considering buying this game try out the demo for a while to see if they enjoy it.


First of all, there's only like 6 characters in the beta, second of all, there are only 2 stages in the beta.

There is no demo, only a beta. This beta is months old. Omar already said that the UI and graphics in the game are outdated.

Actually, there is a demo. I tried it out yesterday at Walmart. It had Kratos, Jak, Big Daddy, and Parappa. Kratos was clearly overpowered, and Big Daddy is so slow he's virtually unplayable.

In the beta Parappa feels better than Kratos to me though, because his supers are easier to make full use of.

Parappa can get a maximum of 3 kills with his level 3.  Kratos can easily get 4-6.



Lafiel on 22 October 2012
JWeinCom said:
Lafiel said:
Flanneryaug said:

Actually, there is a demo. I tried it out yesterday at Walmart. It had Kratos, Jak, Big Daddy, and Parappa. Kratos was clearly overpowered, and Big Daddy is so slow he's virtually unplayable.

In the beta Parappa feels better than Kratos to me though, because his supers are easier to make full use of.

Parappa can get a maximum of 3 kills with his level 3.  Kratos can easily get 4-6.

Parappa can easily get 4 kills with his level 2



VGKing on 22 October 2012
ninetailschris said:
Preorders are low.

20 characters. 3 of Which make no sense.

People telling people to buy a game because of a future DLC.

See... this doing very well.

Japan Preorders are going to be fun.

The game is a copy with a new engine. It doesn't mean it's going to suck. Btw anyone remember the wii in the background? Yea totally there because Sony loves the Wii!

2d Background was suppose to be a play on most Nintendo games come from a 2d world. What about Sony? 1 or 2 in the game?

Should have been a epic 3d fighter like run around or something not a copy of SMB.

I played outfox and it's not like SMB at all really. It's only that people saw the game and see how it's a 2d fighter everyone assumed are the same as PSAS is to SMB.


Wow.

1. Sales don't make the game. If we all only bought games that had high pre-orders, then we would never buy new IP.

2. No one is telling anyone to buy it for the DLC. But if your favorite character didn't make it into the game, he might later. It's just something to consider.

3. No, it's not doing well. Like you said, pre-orders are low. But PS3 exclusives have long sexy legs. You would know that if you've been on Vgchartz as long as me.

4.  Japan pre-orders are irrelevant. This is a game aimed at western gamers.

5. Copy with a new engine? Nope. This game was made from scratch. That Wii in the background? It's no secret that Smash Bros is the main inspiration for this game. This is old news. SuperBot even admitted it on Day 1 of the announcement of this game.

6. 3D 4-player would never work. It just wouldn't be as fun. Can you imagine keeping track of 4 players in a local 4 player match? Like I said before, this game is obviously inspired by Smash Bros. The 2D background works much better than 3D for fighting games.(Even Mortal Kombat went back to 2D)



Flanneryaug on 22 October 2012
Lafiel said:
Flanneryaug said:
VGKing said:
Flanneryaug said:

I tried out the demo for this game yesterday, and it plays differently than smash bros, even if it is a rip off. However, while it can be fun at first to try out the characters, and their supers, there are many problems with the game. The characters are unbalanced, and the stages are uninteresting. I recommend that anyone considering buying this game try out the demo for a while to see if they enjoy it.


First of all, there's only like 6 characters in the beta, second of all, there are only 2 stages in the beta.

There is no demo, only a beta. This beta is months old. Omar already said that the UI and graphics in the game are outdated.

Actually, there is a demo. I tried it out yesterday at Walmart. It had Kratos, Jak, Big Daddy, and Parappa. Kratos was clearly overpowered, and Big Daddy is so slow he's virtually unplayable.

In the beta Parappa feels better than Kratos to me though, because his supers are easier to make full use of.

I like Parappa's level 2 super, but it basically makes his level 3 super pointless, since you can get at least 3 kills easily with his level 2, but only 3 with his level 3.



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JWeinCom on 22 October 2012
Lafiel said:
JWeinCom said:
Lafiel said:
Flanneryaug said:
VGKing said:
Flanneryaug said:

I tried out the demo for this game yesterday, and it plays differently than smash bros, even if it is a rip off. However, while it can be fun at first to try out the characters, and their supers, there are many problems with the game. The characters are unbalanced, and the stages are uninteresting. I recommend that anyone considering buying this game try out the demo for a while to see if they enjoy it.


First of all, there's only like 6 characters in the beta, second of all, there are only 2 stages in the beta.

There is no demo, only a beta. This beta is months old. Omar already said that the UI and graphics in the game are outdated.

Actually, there is a demo. I tried it out yesterday at Walmart. It had Kratos, Jak, Big Daddy, and Parappa. Kratos was clearly overpowered, and Big Daddy is so slow he's virtually unplayable.

In the beta Parappa feels better than Kratos to me though, because his supers are easier to make full use of.

Parappa can get a maximum of 3 kills with his level 3.  Kratos can easily get 4-6.

Parappa can easily get 4 kills with his level 2

I don't think so.  The skateboard really doesn't have the range Kratos has and it's not really all that fast plus I'm pretty sure it lasts less time.  I think when players learn to dodge better this super will be 2-3 kills max.

Not to mention Kratos' overall range is way better than Parappa and his attacks have massive hitboxes.  Parappa's range is limited and his quickness doesn't really make up for it.  Plus I don't think his AP generating moves are all that practical in a 4 player battle.  Might be more useful in 1v1.

 

VGKing said:

6. 3D 4-player would never work. It just wouldn't be as fun. Can you imagine keeping track of 4 players in a local 4 player match? Like I said before, this game is obviously inspired by Smash Bros. The 2D background works much better than 3D for fighting games.(Even Mortal Kombat went back to 2D)

I take it you've never played Powerstone?