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yes it is, and there is nothing wrong with that if they brought their own improvements



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PR is one thing, but its a general consensus its inspired from Smash Bros.



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When a game is made purely to cash in on a other game's success I consider it a clone. This game would'nt exist if Brawl did'nt sell over 10million and melee over 7million.



 

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JWeinCom said:
Yeah, it's a rip off. They took the concept from Nintendo wholesale, they took 90% of the control scheme, 90% of the physics engine, 90% of the presentation, 90% of the aesthetics and so on. I was playing it at a store demo for about half an hour yesterday and literally every person that stopped to look at it said "oh that looks like Smash Brothers". The only major change that's been made is in the KO system. You don't change one thing and have a brand new game.

If you're ok with the game being a rip off, than that's fine. I sincerely hope you enjoy the game. But please, let's not ignore the obvious. Smash Bros. made tons of creative changes to the fighting genre, and because of that it spawned a successful franchise and tons of imitators. PASBR adds just about nothing to the genre and as a result will be a footnote in gaming history.


this was your post in another thread

"It feels unpolished, loose, and the mechanics don't feel like they'd lend themselves to a competitive fighter."

edit: the link to the post : http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4818089

 

now this is an extract from your current post

"90% of the control scheme, 90% of the physics engine"

 

to me it seems like you're heavily contradicting yourself there...

in one post you say the game has poor controls and mechanics while in the other you basically say its controls and mechanics are the same as smash bros...

now the conclusion that can be drawn is that you're also saying the smash has poor controls and mechanics but no i'm pretty certain that that isn't the case either....


No, I didn't say the controls and mechanics are the same.  As you may or may not have noticed, I said 90% the same.  And in the post you quoted I never said the control scheme was bad in particular.

Look at Smash Bros Melee and Brawl.  Those games are basically built on the same engine, yet they play differently, mainly because of a relatively small difference in the airdodging system.

A competitive fighting game is like an intricate machine.  All you have to do is tighten or loosen a couple of bolts and you have something that plays differently.  That's what Superbot did here.  They tightened a bolt here, they loosened a bolt there, and they called it something new.  PASBR and Smash do play differently, in the same way that Smash set on time with 2.0 damage and items, and Smash set on stock with damage to 1.0 and no items played differently, or the same way Street Fighter 2 and Street Fighter 2 Rainbow Edition play differently. It's a tweaked game, not a new experience.

As for my original post, I'm not going to go into a whole lot of detail about that right now, but if you want fuller impressions of how I think the two games are similar and different, read this.

http://n4g.com/news/1095888/a-diehard-smash-bros-fan-goes-hands-on-with-playstation-all-stars-battle-royale#selcomment



maverick40 said:
teigaga said:
Sorry I didn't even read the post but I've played it and it's a clone. It exists only because super smash bros, the controls and number of characters moves mimic smash bros completely. It does have its own unique features and twist, but it still a clone.

This doesn't matter to me, I'm buying it day one :D


It is better than smash brothers thats for sure. 

its a clone (from smashbros) and the think that surprise me is not that... is that the game is no 50% the fun  smasbros is.



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sales2099 said:
PR is one thing, but its a general consensus its inspired from Smash Bros.

have you read the thing ? ofcourse it's inspired by SSB, Game Director Omar Kendall never denied that in this interview



First of all, it is a beta not a demo. There are only 6 characters in the beta and even the store demo version they wipped up is an early build despite having more characters.

The characters aren't unbalanced in my opinion, they play very differently from eachother and it takes time to learn their moves. If there is unbalancing, that will be fixed from the beta data or even after release if need be, especially for new dlc characters.

The game is faster paced then SSB, different physics, has more moves, and the characters so far are not clones of eachother.(even Cole and evil Cole).



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Its not a clone but its mostly a copy



It's amusing, but the second major entry into a genre will always be called a "rip-off". Then, after awhile, no one cares, except maybe the angry, die-hard fans of the original, who are only hurting themselves and looking petty while doing it.

Rip-offs, clones, whatever, none of that matters in the long run at all. If something better comes along, it will replace the original, if both games do what they do well, then they both have a good shot at longevity. I mean, really, is there anyone who refuses to play Street Fighter because they're upset that it's a rip-off of Karate Champ?

Don't try to convince any of the disgruntled and indignant that All-Stars isn't a rip-off; instead, just tilt your head and say, "if it's fun, who cares? :D". Of course, many of them will decide that it's not fun BECAUSE they're upset about its origins, so whatever.

Also, that was a really good interview, and I found the sports analogy very interesting. In sports, 90% of what you're doing is working to get into position to score, which sounds like what they're doing with the Supers thing. You have work, work, work to get a shot at scoring, but then you still have to connect. Kind of like football, where you have to work your way down the field, but then you still have to get into the end zone for it to matter.



It is a bit... but who cares?