ok then so i'm guessing therefore that this

"Games that break the mold, challenge conventions, and change things up advance their respective genres."

for you only becomes important when the gaming company at hand is sony, however, for others such as nintendo it becomes irrelevant

 are my conclusions correct or am i spouting bs?

" you're trying to deflect that issue by turning things into an argument about Nintendo's originality."

as stated above i was addressing this point you made

"Games that break the mold, challenge conventions, and change things up advance their respective genres."

from my interpretation you weren't just reffering to one game there but all or was i wrong?

There are plenty of games with similar control schemes that aren't clones, even within the fighter genre. After looking at PABR's control scheme, it seemed like a pretty basic control scheme for most fighters to me; nothing looked like something you'd only find in SSB. I don't see how control scheme contributes to a game being a clone. 

Rolling and airdodging? Rolling is seen in plenty of games. As for airdodging, sure, it's not in many games aside from SSB. But it's probably absent in most games because most games aren't designed where characters can jump high and at a fast pace, making airdodging out of place. For a game that is fast-paced and allow characters to jump high, I would expect airdodging to come without it being an act of cloning SSB. People have their own definition of clones, I guess.

Except that the Outfoxies shares just about nothing with Smash Brothers except for the fact that you could jump onto stuff?  Come on man, is that really the best you could do?  Do you really think that the game is all that similar to Smash?  Do the games share a similar art style, similar controls, or anything aside from the ability to jump onto stuff?  This is a reach.  A really really big reach.

I don't  think its a stretch at all. It is clearly the inspiration. The item system, using machine guns and rocket launchers, weird items like a bowl of soup (SSB Fan), even picking up crates and tossing them or sliding them. The environments are hazards you use to defeat your enemy. A moving train, expanding levels, very similar. It is interesting that one of the characters is a brother and sister duo, much like the Ice Climbers. You also grab onto ledges and can jump down through thin platforms. It is a fighting platformer game with an item system, healthbars, and hazardous environments. Very similar to smash. Watch some videos, the game is old and obviously couldn't do what SSB did on the N64 but it is still very similar. Nintendo simply added their characters, added moves, shrunk levels, and created a ring out mechanic.

1.  You're spouting BS because I never said anything about whether or not I supported that in regards to other games.  The issue we're talking about is specifically in regards to the issue of rip offs and clones.  You're talking about milking IPS which I've said nothing about.  It's a matter of context, and it's an issue that I didn't say anything about.  I never praised nor criticized Nintendo for releasing New Super Mario Bros U, just like I never criticized Sony for releasing God of War Ascension, Uncharted 3, or Little Big Planet Vita.  Again, if you want to talk about sequalization, go ahead and make another topic.

2.  It was a general statement about gaming, but it's being taken a bit out of context and taken to illogical extremes.  If making sequels was inherently evil, then game companies would have no incentive to develop new IPs.  Game companies invest big money in original IPS because they expect to be able to make popular and lasting franchises based on those IPs.  I'd go further into it, but like I said, not the time or place.

Like I said, if you want to discuss this further, feel free to do so in another topic instead of derailing this one.  But, if you still try to press this issue here, you're wasting you time and energy.  I'm not going to respond.

1. That was pretty much my point.

2. Probably true. A 2D platforming fighter may be inspired by Smash Bros, but does that warrant it being a clone?

3. I know there a lot of approaches to fighting games. I'm talking about 2D platforming fighters. Because that genre is so closely associated with Smash Bros, any game within that genre will probably be called a clone, even if it plays differently.

I'm legitimately not sure if this is supposed to be serious, sarcasm, or satire.