007BondAgent said: crissindahouse said: 007BondAgent said: recent history has told us that halo and cod is always neck and neck in north america, so something is up because black ops 2 on ps3 should be near halo yes like i said, black ops looks undertracked. and what is recent history and "always"? there is only 1 halo game you can maybe compare with cod of the same year and this is reach and even then, both had different releases, cod in holiday season and halo pre-holiday season so even these numbers are not really comparable. btw i just checked the numbers, in 2010, halo reach had ~1,200,000 preorders 3 weeks before release and the ps3 cod had ~800k preorders 4 weeks before release so there was also an almost 400k gap with same time before release. Halo: Reach (X360) Microsoft, Shooter 3 166,818 1,193,162 Call of Duty: Black Ops (PS3) Activision, Shooter 4 55,702 816,721 if you have still a theory i would like to hear it. Halo reach did 2.3m opening week while black ops on ps3 did 2m, plus halo isn't competing with cod, so modern warfare 3 on ps3 did 2.2m on ps3, meaning every cod is improving in north america, plus have you seen how huge cod opens on the 360 in north america? the 360 version of black ops 2 should be a clear 500k ahead.

ok and why did i say to you that halo reach didn't release in holiday season but halo 4 does?

and what exactly does this change when i said cod looks undertracked and not halo overtracked? did i ever say cod won't sell as much as halo or anything? why is this theory not more logical for you?

it's funny, you said cod improved every year, then you see cod preorders here are even lower as in 2010 and instead of you thinking about too low cod preorder numbers you think halo has to be overtracked. that makes 0 sense. everything you said should let you think cod is undertracked.

btw if you think halo is so much overtracked, can you say me what you believe halo 4 will sell first week? reach sold 2.3 million right? preorder numbers of halo 4 are lower as for reach here on vgc and if you think those lower numbers are even overtracked, what do you expect for halo 4 first week? 1.4 million? or mabye even less?

Because halo reach is most likely overtracked, plus halo is either over tracked or black ops on ps360 are undertracked, it's one of them.

Plus halo 4 is lagging behind because maybe call of duty is comming out? in the same month? reach didn't release in the same launch window as black ops so there was no need for choosing, plus it's no lie that call of duty on 360 is much bigger then halo in north america, so there is no way halo and cod are this close.

maybe reach is overtracked but not first week sales because we got official numbers for the first week of reach with all these "new exlusive game sales record" blabla. btw npd said 3.3 million reach sales in september 2010.

then you first said halo and cod aren't competitiors "plus halo isn't competing with cod", now they are and cod is taking halo sales but hey, why not also vice versa? i mean, i will buy halo and not cod because of that. some friends will buy cod and i would buy it to play with them but i won't because i know i will only play halo...so yes, it is possible and even likely that cod will take halo sales but it is also likely that halo will take cod sales.

then you say it is no lie that cod is bigger as halo in usa on xbox which is true, black ops sold better than reach but first of all, blops2 is also in front of halo 4 in preorders now and has still one more week for preorders and then, black ops sold probably better to people who didn't preorder than reach did and you simply can't know how much cod is bigger as halo nowadays for first week sales because there is only one game called reach which is comparable. all other games of halo can't really used as comparison and looking back at halo 3, cod wasn't so huge then.

i'm still looking forward to get a prediction from you about first week halo 4 sales in usa. reach sold 3.3 million in september 2010 in north america. i really wonder what you expect for halo 4 if you think it's is so much overtracked.

Worldwide? i'd say halo should sell around 3.5m in week 1, Bops 2 on 360 should sell 8m in week one and bops 2 on ps3 should sell 6.5m in the first week

Halo should end up the third highest selling game this year behind pokemon and call of duty.

no not worldwide...usa like we talk all the time about. you say halo 4 preorders are overtracked even with lower preorder numbers as for reach. vgc says reach sold 2.3 million first week in usa which should be true knowing the official numbers and npd numbers for september 2010.

so, with halo 4 tracking behind reach in vgc preorder numbers and your theory that it is still overtracked, what will be the first week halo 4 sales in usa? and you think halo 4 will sell almsot as much as reach first week using vgc numbers and still say halo 4 is overtracked tracking behind halo 4?

i seriously have no clue what you are calculating there.

my predictions bro, halo 4 should sell.. maybe 2.4m in america... i'm being optimistic.

man you are funny. you think halo 4 will sell as much as reach first week, then you see that halo 4 is tracking behind reach in pre-orders here on vgc and you still say these numbers are overtracked.

i still think all you believe and you could be absolutey right with that is - cod is undertracked.