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Capitalism Vs Communism

Capitalism 77 52.38%
 
Communism 36 24.49%
 
Other (if it exists) 34 23.13%
 
Total:147

People have this idea that a truly liberal economy would benefit both employers and employees but it won't.

 

employees want nothing but profit. They are not interested in anything else that is the reason why they outsource our jobs to Asia.



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In truth a lot of aspects of a communistic society are good, things such as healthcare and free education are just some of the benefits that employing some communist aspects can do for a capitalistic society.

This is why higher taxes are good, they improve the standard of living for everyone.



Corey said:
In truth a lot of aspects of a communistic society are good, things such as healthcare and free education are just some of the benefits that employing some communist aspects can do for a capitalistic society.

This is why higher taxes are good, they improve the standard of living for everyone.


That seems like a very large, unsupported, leap ...

If you look at the services provided by the different levels of government, the lower the level of government tends to have a far more meaningful impact on a person's standard of living and generally take in far lower taxes to provide their services. This is because the higher levels of government are more prone to allocate resources inefficiently in the attempt to create a one size fits all solution; as an example, the federal government is likely to mandate (something like) a gang prevention unit should be in all High Schools across the country even though (probably) only 1% of these schools are likely to have any significant gang activity.

The problem with thinking higher taxes are a good thing in general is that the bulk of taxes (and the bulk of tax increases over the past several generations) have been by the federal government which provides little value for the money; and the vast majority of people would be better off had the government never increased their taxes for their wasteful spending in the first place.



Communism is great if we're all robots without the capacity for corruption, greed, and evil. It will never work for the human race.



Marks said:
Soundwave said:
JoeTheBro said:

This pretty much sums up my opinion on communism(nothing to do with pro/anti obama). As a person with a drive I could not stand living under the control of the government. For me it is 100% hardcore free market capitalism or bust.

But I'm like the girl in the picture building a tower. Many people do however like taking naps and for those people there is nothing wrong with communism. I'm sure many of you would love just hanging around playing games. For example my brother works a minimum wage job so that he can afford high end computers while living in the basement. Communism works perfectly for his life and many others but only when it doesn't leach off other's success.

There's no such thing as 100% "hardcore free market capitalism". 

You have a public police force. Fire fighters. Military. Roads/highway. Education. The water you drink has to be regulated so that its safe to drink. FDA. etc. etc. etc. These are all public utilities basically, they're not magically free. 

Not true. There is not a single thing that could not be effectively privatized. The only thing I want the government in control of are the military and the court system (a neutral party to settle disputes between individuals). But beyond the courts, even the jails could be privatized and the roads to the jail, and the policemen who escort the prisoners to jail and  the guards...etc.

not true

internalizing public services lowers the cost of regulation thus making it more cost competitive than an external contract with regulation costs on top

not only that you also have to consider that an external system will generate benefits on the infrastructure thus additional costs for all beneficiaries of that infrastructure

so even in theory : no



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jacks81x said:
Communism is great if we're all robots without the capacity for corruption, greed, and evil. It will never work for the human race.

wouldn't corruption, greed, and evil be disminished when money isn't as powerful ?



fighter said:
jacks81x said:
Communism is great if we're all robots without the capacity for corruption, greed, and evil. It will never work for the human race.

wouldn't corruption, greed, and evil be disminished when money isn't as powerful ?


Money isn't powerful, the economic control money represents is powerful. In a central planned economy that power is placed in the hands of a powerful bureaucracy to distribute as they see fit which is an ideal breading ground for corruption. This is why bureaucrats in China can afford a Ferrari even though the car cost 20 to 40 years worth of their salary.



HappySqurriel said:
fighter said:
jacks81x said:
Communism is great if we're all robots without the capacity for corruption, greed, and evil. It will never work for the human race.

wouldn't corruption, greed, and evil be disminished when money isn't as powerful ?


Money isn't powerful, the economic control money represents is powerful. In a central planned economy that power is placed in the hands of a powerful bureaucracy to distribute as they see fit which is an ideal breading ground for corruption. This is why bureaucrats in China can afford a Ferrari even though the car cost 20 to 40 years worth of their salary.

china is capitalistic now - and their bureaucracy remained corrupt for very specific reason : a one party system + not enough checks and balances + a sudden rise in investment and financial attraction)

if i wanna corrupta chinese bureaucrat i give him money, not a job, money



fighter said:
HappySqurriel said:
fighter said:
jacks81x said:
Communism is great if we're all robots without the capacity for corruption, greed, and evil. It will never work for the human race.

wouldn't corruption, greed, and evil be disminished when money isn't as powerful ?


Money isn't powerful, the economic control money represents is powerful. In a central planned economy that power is placed in the hands of a powerful bureaucracy to distribute as they see fit which is an ideal breading ground for corruption. This is why bureaucrats in China can afford a Ferrari even though the car cost 20 to 40 years worth of their salary.

china is capitalistic now - and their bureaucracy remained corrupt for very specific reason : a one party system + not enough checks and balances + a sudden rise in investment and financial attraction)

if i wanna corrupta chinese bureaucrat i give him money, not a job, money


China is partially capitalist. It's still run by a central government which artificially devalues their money.



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Also, correct me if I'm wrong, OP, but you haven't worked under a capitalist system yet, have you?

Go try working for one, then go see what a communistic system is like. I think you'd prefer the capitalist system quite a bit. You can't rattle off whats better when you don't have a solid job.



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