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Forums - Politics - EU wins Nobel peace Prize. No... seriously, they did!

kowenicki said:
fighter said:
kowenicki said:

WHAT!?

I mean.... WHAT!?  I though Obama getting it after 7 days in office was idiotic and insulting, but this is a new level of stupidity.

 

The incompetent EU that:

- messed up with Yugoslavia in such a big way, leading to many more deaths.

- has presided over the biggest econmic cock up / scam of all time in the Euro ruining millions of peoples futures.

- knowingly allowed Nations to lie about their economies allowing them to join and therefore completely messing up the global economy

- allows countries with not entirely democratically elected governments to join them.

- has a member state threatening military intervention in one of its own states, catalonia

- is incompetent

- is corrupt

- has an all time low confidence rating of 30% across the whole of the EU

- has populations of Greece and Spain engaging in civil unrest and burning of flags of other EU nations due to the mess the EU created

- has lead to a rise in ultra right wing groups in many nations due to their meddling and financial incompetence.

 

And who awards this prize? a Norwegian body... Norway a country that doesnt want to join the EU.  You couldnt make it up.

The liberal elite have finally taken over the asylum.

Dont give the prize to individuals who strive for peace or for rights of individuals in their own countries whaever you do... just award it to a bunch of overpaid unelected fat cat beaurocrats.  Bravo!

 

It is NATO that has kept the peace in Europe.  It has nothing, NOTHING, to do with the EU.

 

Rant over!


What is funny to me is how Obama won it for pretty much just replacing Bush.

The European architects did not plan the crises, nor had they imagined the roots of a federal pan-european system. What they did though was imagine a cooperational system, both plitical and economic, that would allow Europe to internalize legally and structurally our competition.

And in that aspect, they achieved full success.

 

 

If the EU project doesn't deserve the nobel prize for peace, who does ?


Bolded...

?

Seriously?

Wow.


care to illustrate your contradiction ? maybe providing a better example than the EU in that building of a cooperational system ?



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kowenicki said:
Mummelmann said:
If it makes you feel any better, the vast majority of the Nowegian population strongly disagree with their choice.


Of course they do.  They dont want to be in the EU.  I applaud them.

 

The Norwegians may not be integrally part of the EU but the cooperation level is as high as it gets (part of the single market and the Schengen area, norwegians are also allowed to vote locally when residents in the EU and so many other stuff i could list)

Greece is perhaps the single example of a EU defection. If you allow yourself to pull your face from your butt cheeks' pressure and look at, say, a 20 years scale, the number of ties between our regions, institutions and cultures is on an accelerating pace, more than doubling the number of members, increasing the weight of influence at national level to the point that most national laws are the declination of EU directives

It s as if the british euro-sceptics live in a lost valley riding diseased dinosaurs and wondering how to make fire to heat their tea (made of dirty filthy leafs and roots)



Obama winning the peace price was a joke. Nobel price in itself has become quite politicized. Maybe it was always so but i was less skeptical when i was younger.



fighter said:
kowenicki said:
Mummelmann said:
If it makes you feel any better, the vast majority of the Nowegian population strongly disagree with their choice.


Of course they do.  They dont want to be in the EU.  I applaud them.

 

The Norwegians may not be integrally part of the EU but the cooperation level is as high as it gets (part of the single market and the Schengen area, norwegians are also allowed to vote locally when residents in the EU and so many other stuff i could list)

Greece is perhaps the single example of a EU defection. If you allow yourself to pull your face from your butt cheeks' pressure and look at, say, a 20 years scale, the number of ties between our regions, institutions and cultures is on an accelerating pace, more than doubling the number of members, increasing the weight of influence at national level to the point that most national laws are the declination of EU directives

It s as if the british euro-sceptics live in a lost valley riding diseased dinosaurs and wondering how to make fire to heat their tea (made of dirty filthy leafs and roots)

Exactly. Long-run, the European Union is going to be a powerful force for good in the world.

If we need a historical example, look at America; dysfunctional as fuck up until after the Civil War. But that didn't stop it from being a good idea before the civil war, which proved itself more thoroughly afterwards.



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Mr Khan said:
fighter said:
kowenicki said:
Mummelmann said:
If it makes you feel any better, the vast majority of the Nowegian population strongly disagree with their choice.


Of course they do.  They dont want to be in the EU.  I applaud them.

 

The Norwegians may not be integrally part of the EU but the cooperation level is as high as it gets (part of the single market and the Schengen area, norwegians are also allowed to vote locally when residents in the EU and so many other stuff i could list)

Greece is perhaps the single example of a EU defection. If you allow yourself to pull your face from your butt cheeks' pressure and look at, say, a 20 years scale, the number of ties between our regions, institutions and cultures is on an accelerating pace, more than doubling the number of members, increasing the weight of influence at national level to the point that most national laws are the declination of EU directives

It s as if the british euro-sceptics live in a lost valley riding diseased dinosaurs and wondering how to make fire to heat their tea (made of dirty filthy leafs and roots)

Exactly. Long-run, the European Union is going to be a powerful force for good in the world.

If we need a historical example, look at America; dysfunctional as fuck up until after the Civil War. But that didn't stop it from being a good idea before the civil war, which proved itself more thoroughly afterwards.


i hope it will soon start having more influence on intenational policies, the way the US and China, and to some extent Russia, Israel, and Iran have been behaving these past two decades is increasingly worrying.

It seems that for national political reasons, mainly staying in power, they rely a little too much on passion and not enough on reason. When the US and the UK were starting conflicts over WMDs the EU could have, with a supra-national minister of affairs, and through the vote of mainly France and Germany, tempered the idiotic duo of Blair and Bush

It was only ten years ago that these two so-called modern democracies engaged in two of the most idiotic conflicts of our times.

The EU should start negotiating a specific role in the UN organization to better prevent weak democracies as the US and the UK to renew their crap tactics.



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kowenicki said:
Mr Khan said:

Exactly. Long-run, the European Union is going to be a powerful force for good in the world.

If we need a historical example, look at America; dysfunctional as fuck up until after the Civil War. But that didn't stop it from being a good idea before the civil war, which proved itself more thoroughly afterwards.


You can't know this, you don't know this. If you think the EU is remotely comparable to the US you are in some kind of fantasy land. Fat too disparate. That not being a spoil sport, it's just a fact. 

Too disparate, eh?

Not disparate enough to match America, i say. Belarus isn't even in the EU.



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Mr Khan said:
fighter said:
kowenicki said:
Mummelmann said:
If it makes you feel any better, the vast majority of the Nowegian population strongly disagree with their choice.


Of course they do.  They dont want to be in the EU.  I applaud them.

 

The Norwegians may not be integrally part of the EU but the cooperation level is as high as it gets (part of the single market and the Schengen area, norwegians are also allowed to vote locally when residents in the EU and so many other stuff i could list)

Greece is perhaps the single example of a EU defection. If you allow yourself to pull your face from your butt cheeks' pressure and look at, say, a 20 years scale, the number of ties between our regions, institutions and cultures is on an accelerating pace, more than doubling the number of members, increasing the weight of influence at national level to the point that most national laws are the declination of EU directives

It s as if the british euro-sceptics live in a lost valley riding diseased dinosaurs and wondering how to make fire to heat their tea (made of dirty filthy leafs and roots)

Exactly. Long-run, the European Union is going to be a powerful force for good in the world.

If we need a historical example, look at America; dysfunctional as fuck up until after the Civil War. But that didn't stop it from being a good idea before the civil war, which proved itself more thoroughly afterwards.

Yeah, exactly like the UN is a powerful force for good in the world, with emphasis on powerful.



LOL. Blimey.. next thing you know they'll give it to NATO :|



kowenicki said:
Mr Khan said:
kowenicki said:
Mr Khan said:
 

Exactly. Long-run, the European Union is going to be a powerful force for good in the world.

If we need a historical example, look at America; dysfunctional as fuck up until after the Civil War. But that didn't stop it from being a good idea before the civil war, which proved itself more thoroughly afterwards.


You can't know this, you don't know this. If you think the EU is remotely comparable to the US you are in some kind of fantasy land. Fat too disparate. That not being a spoil sport, it's just a fact. 

Too disparate, eh?

Not disparate enough to match America, i say. Belarus isn't even in the EU.

What's this supposed to portray?

The names over the states portray a country with GDP roughly equal to that of the state, so, for instance, New Jersey's gross domestic product is about as much as the whole of Russia, or New Mexico on the level with Hungary.

It sinks the "GDPs are too disparate" argument right quick, when you've got France, Sweden, and Austria living in harmony with Uzbekistan, Ecuador, and Algeria.



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kowenicki said:

What's this supposed to portray?

That we have a lot of states with a lot of people. The fact that they are populated largely by the same sorts of people who speak the same language and have the same basic culture means nothing because there's a lot of them.