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Who won the debate?

Vice President Joe Biden 218 52.03%
 
Congressman Paul Ryan 123 29.36%
 
Nobody/Tie 73 17.42%
 
Total:414
badgenome on 11 October 2012
Kasz216 said:

I don't believe he ever denied voting for the wars.  He just mentioned Ryan did... knowing that Ryan wouldn't mention the fact that Biden did as well... because it only helps Obama.

and that coincidentally Biden was one of the main driving democrats who rustled up enough support to invade Iraq.

"And, by the way, they talk about this Great Recession if it fell out of the sky, like, 'Oh, my goodness, where did it come from?' It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card, to at the same time put a prescription drug benefit on the credit card, a trillion-dollar tax cut for the very wealthy. I was there. I voted against them. I said, no, we can't afford that."

He not only claimed to have voted against the wars, but against Medicare Part D as well.



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theprof00 on 11 October 2012
alastor@where said:
CBS News poll for uncommitted voters voted Biden as the winner. 50% to Ryans's 31%. So this poll is invalid.


I'm pretty sure your poll is some kind of conspiracy.



drkohler on 11 October 2012
Coca-Cola said:

Just heard that Biden got 11 minutes more than Ryan.

Nonsense



theprof00 on 11 October 2012
badgenome said:
Kasz216 said:

I don't believe he ever denied voting for the wars.  He just mentioned Ryan did... knowing that Ryan wouldn't mention the fact that Biden did as well... because it only helps Obama.

and that coincidentally Biden was one of the main driving democrats who rustled up enough support to invade Iraq.

"And, by the way, they talk about this Great Recession if it fell out of the sky, like, 'Oh, my goodness, where did it come from?' It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card, to at the same time put a prescription drug benefit on the credit card, a trillion-dollar tax cut for the very wealthy. I was there. I voted against them. I said, no, we can't afford that."

He not only claimed to vote against the wars, but against Medicare Part D as well.

Yeah, I thought he said he voted against the wars, but it's also possible he was just speaking about the rx and tax cuts now that I look at the transcript.
Either way, he should have clarified.



BenVTrigger on 11 October 2012

Im not debating Ryan did good he sucked, so did Biden.

Either way I stand that there wasnt even moderating here. She tried to back Ryan into several corners and never really made any attempt to do the same to Biden. Ryan was far too passive and not strong enough Im not favoring him. I just did not like the moderating 1 bit



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Max King of the Wild on 11 October 2012
Mr Khan said:
NintendoPie said:
I wonder if there'll be an "Interrupting Biden" meme float around...

Ryan you got a great economic plan and imma let you finish, but Obama's got the greatest economic plan of all time!!!


BWAHAHAHAHA !!!!!! I FUCKING HATE KANYE!!! At least he gave me that quote though.



badgenome on 11 October 2012
theprof00 said:

Yeah, I thought he said he voted against the wars, but it's also possible he was just speaking about the rx and tax cuts now that I look at the transcript.
Either way, he should have clarified.

He voted for Part D, as well.



theprof00 on 11 October 2012

Everyone just says "both sucked". What is a good debate then?
In two elections on vgc, I have not seen one debate called "good"



theprof00 on 11 October 2012
badgenome said:
theprof00 said:

Yeah, I thought he said he voted against the wars, but it's also possible he was just speaking about the rx and tax cuts now that I look at the transcript.
Either way, he should have clarified.

He voted for Part D, as well.

lol

So it's worse then. I'll admit, it's pretty bad to point a finger at someone when you've done the same, but it wasn't really a huge point either.



Kasz216 on 11 October 2012
Max King of the Wild said:
Kasz216 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Biden denied knowing there was a request for more security? Pathetic... I'm watching fact checker right now

Biden denying that he voted for the wars... but he did... how the fuck do you forget about that?

I don't believe he ever denied voting for the wars.  He just mentioned Ryan did... knowing that Ryan wouldn't mention the fact that Biden did as well... because it only helps Obama.

and that coincidentally Biden was one of the main driving democrats who rustled up enough support to invade Iraq.



I'm pretty sure the fact checker said he voted against the budget and wars but he in fact voted for the budget until the last one that Bush signed in and he did vote for both the wars.


Maybe i missed it... but i also saw a fact checker say Paul Ryan was wrong when he called the 6,500 number misleading... because the group who said it, in fact said it was 6,500.

Ignoring the fact that Paul Ryan wasn't disputing the 6,500 number... but that the 6,500 they reached was flawed in it's methodology.

 


Sort of like if I mentioned that Gregory said you were a liar about who your voting for.   Then you said what gregory said was misleading... and then they decided in fact I was right because gregory said you were a liar.

 

Fact Checkers are all kinds of incompetent lately.  At worst, they're partisian hacks now... at best, they ignore all relvent context in favor for a quick fact check that can be accomplished by google, rather then a deep analysis of the differing reports, why the reports differ, and in which cases you would expect said reports to be more accurate.