Who won the debate? Biden or Ryan?

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Chris Hu on 12 October 2012

Nice to see that Biden won but in the big picture it won't make much of a difference since Vice Presidential debates never where a factor in the eventual outcome of a presidential election.

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Kasz216 on 12 October 2012

chocoloco said:

thismeintiel said:

chocoloco said:

thismeintiel said:
Sure, being aggressive and rude toward your opponent might get your base riled up, but it's not going to help with the Independents (which Obama is already losing) and the undecided voters.

Really, I think you are just stating what you want to believe. Independant since 18 and I will never vote Republican. Just vote for the best option that can win.

The thing that annoys me about debating on this forum is it only has men that tend to be right thinkers instead of left thinkers. I truly wish we had a better pool of thinking that involved more women that are more often left minded.

As for the woman thing, it's true single women often are more left minded. However, once women get married and start raising children, they usually switch to being more right minded. Though, among woman overall, the latest poll I saw had Obama and Romney tied. Of course, since married women are more likely to vote, this is going to give Romney the edge among women in the end.

I do not care about what type of women are in which group. If what you said was true most women voters would vote Republican because most of the average female votersare not a young un-marriedwomen. Most of them are older and married or were married.

If what you said about independants was also true. Romney should be winning the popular vote. As there was a slight edge for Republicans over Dems nathionwide this year, yet Obama still leads the the popular vote in most cases. If most Independants really said they were voting Romney, than Romney should be winning all polls in the popular vote. Not happening.

Actually, Romney has been leading the popular vote in most cases recently.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Currently we're set for another Bush V Gore thing, unless the state or national polling is off.

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thismeintiel on 12 October 2012

theprof00 said:

thismeintiel said:

We have one poll that says Biden won, 50% to 31% (CBS). Two that say Ryan won, 56% to 36% (CNBC) and 48% to 44% (CNN). Have to see more polls as we go forward.

your cnbc is backwards. That one says biden won.

Hmm. I'm not sure if the results I posted were from a scientific poll or just the early results of their online poll. I just saw an official tweet from CNBC that started with (Poll Results). The only poll that I actually know for certain is a scientific poll was done by CNN and it had Ryan winning by 4 points. So take from that what you will.

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killerzX on 12 October 2012

it was counted 82 times that Biden interrupted Ryan. man was he crazy, and very un-vice-presidential.

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theprof00 on 12 October 2012

killerzX said:
it was counted 82 times that Biden interrupted Ryan. man was he crazy, and very un-vice-presidential.

He's your typical middle income American, and a lot of middle class Americans identify very strongly with him. That's why he's on the ticket. We all interrupt each other. Ryan didn't even have 82 sentences, so I doubt they calculated this fairly.

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chocoloco on 12 October 2012

Kasz216 said:

chocoloco said:

thismeintiel said:

chocoloco said:

thismeintiel said:
Sure, being aggressive and rude toward your opponent might get your base riled up, but it's not going to help with the Independents (which Obama is already losing) and the undecided voters.

Really, I think you are just stating what you want to believe. Independant since 18 and I will never vote Republican. Just vote for the best option that can win.

The thing that annoys me about debating on this forum is it only has men that tend to be right thinkers instead of left thinkers. I truly wish we had a better pool of thinking that involved more women that are more often left minded.

As for the woman thing, it's true single women often are more left minded. However, once women get married and start raising children, they usually switch to being more right minded. Though, among woman overall, the latest poll I saw had Obama and Romney tied. Of course, since married women are more likely to vote, this is going to give Romney the edge among women in the end.

I do not care about what type of women are in which group. If what you said was true most women voters would vote Republican because most of the average female votersare not a young un-marriedwomen. Most of them are older and married or were married.

If what you said about independants was also true. Romney should be winning the popular vote. As there was a slight edge for Republicans over Dems nathionwide this year, yet Obama still leads the the popular vote in most cases. If most Independants really said they were voting Romney, than Romney should be winning all polls in the popular vote. Not happening.

Actually, Romney has been leading the popular vote in most cases recently.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Currently we're set for another Bush V Gore thing, unless the state or national polling is off.

http://www.polltrack.com/presidential

http://www.pollheadlines.com/electoral-map.php

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/romney-vs-obama-electoral-map

No, I am afraid not, but it is damn close and I am ready to vote. will be doing so early.

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Kasz216 on 12 October 2012

By the way.... Ryan missed the chance for a HUGE win.

When he said "Joe do you know what the unemployment rate is in Scranton" and Joe Biden said yes...

He should of said "Then what is it."

If Biden didn't know, it would of been as big a gaffe as any... and if he did know. He could of just continued with the "It was 8.5% when you guys took over."

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killerzX on 12 October 2012

theprof00 said:

killerzX said:
it was counted 82 times that Biden interrupted Ryan. man was he crazy, and very un-vice-presidential.

He's your typical middle income American, and a lot of middle class Americans identify very strongly with him. That's why he's on the ticket. We all interrupt each other. Ryan didn't even have 82 sentences, so I doubt they calculated this fairly.

waat? he makes millions. he's rich! how's he middle income?