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noname2200 said:

But when analyszing sales all I care about is The Market. I am not an advertiser. I am not Nielsen. I am not a game developer. I have only a passing interest in what floats the boat of a small subsection of The Market. When deciphering how to best separate The Market from as much of its money as possible, categorizing the market is playing small ball in the steroids era. Because at the end of the day, the dollar of a 40 year old woman or a 60 year old man is just as green as the money of a 13 year old boy.

The former group just happens to be bigger in number, and have a lot more cash to spend.

When the combined sales of the competition in that OTHER market doesn't amount to 120M+ sales, then we'll talk about small ball.

Kna'' mean?



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teigaga said:
richardhutnik said:
teigaga said:
They'll need to get the Big 3rd party Games current/next gen bridge titles like Starwars 1313, Metal Gear: Ground Zero, Watchdogs and Bungie's "Desitny" before I believe this.

Which of those titles isn't planned for this generation?  If they are coming out for this generation, I am pretty sure that the WiiU can handle them.

my concern isn't that the Wii U can't handle it, more the fact that Wii U dev kits have been n devlopers hands well over a year before any of these games were announced and yet none have been announced for the system. 

Far too many reasons why a Wii U version hasn't been announced to conclude anything.

1. Do they have dev kits yet?
2. Do they have enough dev kits to actually develop the game or just R&D?
3. Is the game engine ported to Wii U yet?
4. Do they have the resources and budget to include another console SKU?

You picked for games recently announced that could have any number of reasons why a Wii U version was not listed and you come to the conclusion the Wii U won't have good 3rd party suspport.  

When Batman: Arkham City, Mass Effect 3, Assassin's Creed 3, Aliens: Colonial Marines, Darksiders 2, 007 Legends, Call of Duty: Black Ops 2, Ninja Gaiden 3 and Tekken Tag Torunament 2 were first announced, they didn't include a Wii U version either.

Specially regarding Black Ops 2, we didn't learn about it for Wii U until way, way after the game was announced.



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phenom08 said:

Why not show me how the 3DS is trending compared to the DS. You continue to dodge that. The 3DS will begin outpacing the DS so I dont care about the 3DS software not performing the way you think they should. For all you know it may be because of the different times they were released in. What do you mean but no much more than it pushed the 3DS lol. Mario pushed the 3DS to better performance than the DS so then i could be right NSMBU could push the WiiU above the Wii. It doesn't have to prove its self in the West thats just some bs Sony fans made up to make it sound bad lol. Its selling just as well in the west as the DS so its clearly trending fine and is outselling everything on the market currently. I dont care if you think it should be whooping ass in the west because its outpacing the DS which is hardly bad a thing and its whooping everyone else ass on the market and will continue to do so. So if anything as something to prove than its the 360 and PS3 and their inconsistence globally. Wow are you so desperate to bash the WiiU that you are seriously comparing its performance in japan to the 3DS. Why not compare it launch aligned to the PS3 lol. Here Ill make a prediction for you the WiiU will be the highest selling home console for the next 4 years. 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016. Quote me on that.

The DS had no significant software to propel its sales in its first year. The 3DS already got 2 SMB games, Mario Kart, Nintendogs, Brain Age, and many other evergreens and killer apps. I hope it's outpacing the DS. Oddly enough, it's neck and neck with DS in europe (see Kowen's thread).

But the fact of the matter is, it's very weak (relatively to the DS). The DS gets an _explosive_ boost in 2006, two years after launch, and an even bigger one in 2008. How will this happen for 3DS when all the ingredients for the 3DS boost have already been spent (price cut, XL model, NSMB, evergreens)?

You answer that, then you can tell me who is the hater. When I like someone/something, it tell it to them straight, I don't kiss ass.

The WiiU will be the highest selling home console for the next 4 years, that's not the point. The point is, by how much? If it is neck and neck with the other two, that is not on par with my expectations. It may be for you, but I have higher standards for Nintendo. There's a true fan.



It's going to by itself in the market for a whole year, PS4 and 720 will need a hell of a gimmick to catch up.



He's just trying to reaffirm stock holders that the console wont crash n burn on release lol...

All pr hype aside, how awful is the nintendo online ecosystem going to be... No way it's the store or matchnaking will work on par with ps3/360/720/ps4



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Viper1 said:
teigaga said:
richardhutnik said:
teigaga said:
They'll need to get the Big 3rd party Games current/next gen bridge titles like Starwars 1313, Metal Gear: Ground Zero, Watchdogs and Bungie's "Desitny" before I believe this.

Which of those titles isn't planned for this generation?  If they are coming out for this generation, I am pretty sure that the WiiU can handle them.

my concern isn't that the Wii U can't handle it, more the fact that Wii U dev kits have been n devlopers hands well over a year before any of these games were announced and yet none have been announced for the system. 

Far too many reasons why a Wii U version hasn't been announced to conclude anything.

1. Do they have dev kits yet?
2. Do they have enough dev kits to actually develop the game or just R&D?
3. Is the game engine ported to Wii U yet?
4. Do they have the resources and budget to include another console SKU?

You picked for games recently announced that could have any number of reasons why a Wii U version was not listed and you come to the conclusion the Wii U won't have good 3rd party suspport.  

When Batman: Arkham City, Mass Effect 3, Assassin's Creed 3, Aliens: Colonial Marines, Darksiders 2, 007 Legends, Call of Duty: Black Ops 2, Ninja Gaiden 3 and Tekken Tag Torunament 2 were first announced, they didn't include a Wii U version either.

Specially regarding Black Ops 2, we didn't learn about it for Wii U until way, way after the game was announced.


I havn't concluded anything, I simply said that until such titles are announced for the system I have absolute no reason to believe the system will have strong 3rd party support. Emphasis on the word "strong 3rd party support" having 6 month old ports will not suffice, upgraded or not. The wii had similar support at launch with ps2 ports with tacked on motion controls. As I said in my post, my concern is whether the system will recieve the next big thing, the games I mentioned are the ones recieving the hype. As of right now the system has none of these. 

Also don't forget that Treyach also supported the wii with their COD titles (Infinity Ward did not), so Black Ops 2 coming to the wii U doesn't mean much in regards to the system being strongly supported by 3rd party's.

In Regards to your 4 points, realise I'm talking about very big 3rd Party Devs. If they wanted Dev kits,  they would 100% have them, if they needed more, they would have more. This Wii U is no longer in prototype stage, its coming out next month and Nintendo have been handing our dev kits since spring 2011. The only reason why Wii U versions of bespoke titles have not been announced are:

1. There is no intention to bring it to thw Wii U (bad news)

2. Developers are trying to work out whethe to bring it to the Wii U (bad news)

3. They're hoping to suprise people (Not a smart move)

The Wii U's future in terms of 3rd party support is at the very least, unclear. So to rephrase my initial point, I will wait till the stance of 3rd party becomes clear before I believe the Wii U will fend off the 720/ps4.



WindyCityHeat said:
He's just trying to reaffirm stock holders that the console wont crash n burn on release lol...

All pr hype aside, how awful is the nintendo online ecosystem going to be... No way it's the store or matchnaking will work on par with ps3/360/720/ps4

What in the world makes you think that?



WindyCityHeat said:
He's just trying to reaffirm stock holders that the console wont crash n burn on release lol...

All pr hype aside, how awful is the nintendo online ecosystem going to be... No way it's the store or matchnaking will work on par with ps3/360/720/ps4

Do, please elaborate for us the answers in yrou crystal ball that inform of you such.

 

teigaga said:


I havn't concluded anything, I simply said that until such titles are announced for the system I have absolute no reason to believe the system will have strong 3rd party support. Emphasis on the word "strong 3rd party support" having 6 month old ports will not suffice, upgraded or not. The wii had similar support at launch with ps2 ports with tacked on motion controls. As I said in my post, my concern is whether the system will recieve the next big thing, the games I mentioned are the ones recieving the hype. As of right now the system has none of these. 

Also don't forget that Treyach also supported the wii with their COD titles (Infinity Ward did not), so Black Ops 2 coming to the wii U doesn't mean much in regards to the system being strongly supported by 3rd party's.

In Regards to your 4 points, realise I'm talking about very big 3rd Party Devs. If they wanted Dev kits,  they would 100% have them, if they needed more, they would have more. This Wii U is no longer in prototype stage, its coming out next month and Nintendo have been handing our dev kits since spring 2011. The only reason why Wii U versions of bespoke titles have not been announced are:

1. There is no intention to bring it to thw Wii U (bad news)

2. Developers are trying to work out whethe to bring it to the Wii U (bad news)

3. They're hoping to suprise people (Not a smart move)

The Wii U's future in terms of 3rd party support is at the very least, unclear. So to rephrase my initial point, I will wait till the stance of 3rd party becomes clear before I believe the Wii U will fend off the 720/ps4.

Wii 3rd party support at launch is nowhere near as strong as Wii U 3rd party support is.

Point number 4 in my points is the one you need to focus on most.   Even if they want a Wii U version, they simply may nto have the time or resources for it yet.  They could even have dev kits already and not have the time or resources to put them to full use.   The game egine, again, may not be ready.   ALL of your suggetions on why the Wii U hasn't been listed for thost 4 games are negative without you even considering any of the other very plausible circumstances.  Why?



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Viper1 said:
WindyCityHeat said:
He's just trying to reaffirm stock holders that the console wont crash n burn on release lol...

All pr hype aside, how awful is the nintendo online ecosystem going to be... No way it's the store or matchnaking will work on par with ps3/360/720/ps4

Do, please elaborate for us the answers in yrou crystal ball that inform of you such.

 

teigaga said:


I havn't concluded anything, I simply said that until such titles are announced for the system I have absolute no reason to believe the system will have strong 3rd party support. Emphasis on the word "strong 3rd party support" having 6 month old ports will not suffice, upgraded or not. The wii had similar support at launch with ps2 ports with tacked on motion controls. As I said in my post, my concern is whether the system will recieve the next big thing, the games I mentioned are the ones recieving the hype. As of right now the system has none of these. 

Also don't forget that Treyach also supported the wii with their COD titles (Infinity Ward did not), so Black Ops 2 coming to the wii U doesn't mean much in regards to the system being strongly supported by 3rd party's.

In Regards to your 4 points, realise I'm talking about very big 3rd Party Devs. If they wanted Dev kits,  they would 100% have them, if they needed more, they would have more. This Wii U is no longer in prototype stage, its coming out next month and Nintendo have been handing our dev kits since spring 2011. The only reason why Wii U versions of bespoke titles have not been announced are:

1. There is no intention to bring it to thw Wii U (bad news)

2. Developers are trying to work out whethe to bring it to the Wii U (bad news)

3. They're hoping to suprise people (Not a smart move)

The Wii U's future in terms of 3rd party support is at the very least, unclear. So to rephrase my initial point, I will wait till the stance of 3rd party becomes clear before I believe the Wii U will fend off the 720/ps4.

Wii 3rd party support at launch is nowhere near as strong as Wii U 3rd party support is.

Point number 4 in my points is the one you need to focus on most.   Even if they want a Wii U version, they simply may nto have the time or resources for it yet.  They could even have dev kits already and not have the time or resources to put them to full use.   The game egine, again, may not be ready.   ALL of your suggetions on why the Wii U hasn't been listed for thost 4 games are negative without you even considering any of the other very plausible circumstances.  Why?


Again we're talking about big companies, when their own resources are stretched, they outsouce. Budget contrainst should be a none factor because the assumption is that you're making money back from the cost of importing by the additional userbase you're expecting to sell to. For it to be a problem they must believe the Wii U userbase is not interested in their games or the effort required to port must be extensive (which can't be the case as Wii U arcitecture is more similar to the 360 then the ps3's is). But regardless of the reasoning, the end result is negative.



teigaga said:


Again we're talking about big companies, when their own resources are stretched, they outsouce. Budget contrainst should be a none factor because the assumption is that you're making money back from the cost of importing by the additional userbase you're expecting to sell to. For it to be a problem they must believe the Wii U userbase is not interested in their games or the effort required to port must be extensive (which can't be the case as Wii U arcitecture is more similar to the 360 then the ps3's is). But regardless of the reasoning, the end result is negative.

So tell me, why is Ubisoft giving such huge Wii U support but not Watch Dogs?

Might it be that Ubisoft Montreal is putting all their Wii U development effort into Assassin's Creed III?    Might it be that the game engine hasn't been ported to Wii U yet?


“Not at this time. We have so many titles in development for Wii U right now that we need to keep that team focused and this is a very very ambitious game. But it’s not out of the question.”
-Ubisoft

As you can see, I'm offering cirucmstances just as plausible as you are which are also backed up by some of the actual developers.  Why do you continue to insist that only the negative circumstances are plausible?  You assume way too damn much with claims like they would outsource if they wanted it.  Outsource it to whom that has the game engine ported over to Wii U and enough readily avaiable dev kits and resources lying around not already working on soemthing to take on the job?



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