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What would you vote for?

Democrats 81 38.57%
 
Republicans 35 16.67%
 
I won't vote 19 9.05%
 
I'm still undecided 7 3.33%
 
I am not an American and ... 56 26.67%
 
I am not an American and ... 11 5.24%
 
Total:209
spaceguy said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
Zappykins said:

I am kind of surprised by the polls. Seems like there are many vocal republicans on VGC.

My number once choice would be Jill Stein. I think she would be best for the country, with Obama second. She seems to stand for science, reason, fairness, etc.

Romney might be best for me in some ways (I own some business) but at the cost of people that have jobs and those that work for a living. And since they are my consumers I think I would lose in the long run and he would further damage the country and it's reputation. (Plus I think he is a major fail on basic civil rights, etc.)

I know my libertarian leaning friends love Johnson, but he seems think business and deregulation will solve everything and I just wonder where he has been living the last several years. Maybe there is something in him I don't see.

Here is a fun poll for anyone interested

Reality...

deregulation won't solve everything, but it would solve a lot.

You just need to look at the economy and understand why a lot of stuff isn't working. 

For example, most job growth in companies come after a company goes public with an IPO.

However, almost no companies go public anymore.

Most people founding companies don't want to go public anymore.

Why?  Excessive regulation after the Dot.com bubble.

Now everyone instead wants to create an awesome product, and sell it to some microsoft or sony or whoever to replace whatever product they alerady have, leading to no job gains.


We've actually had a jobs growth problem long before the GFC... starting after the dot.com crash.

The problem is that we tend to think of regulation in a "have it or don't" kind of way, and nobody really gives thought to fixing regulation because the side opposed to the current regulation usually just wants total deregulation, so we can't have an effective dialogue about what regulations are effective, or how we might fix them.

Part of the reason why you can't get anything done because of the Republicans. You can't have a dialogue with them.

Did you watch the Presidential debate?  I mean the exact opposite happened there.

Romney pointed out many issues with Dodd-Frank and mentioned that he'd keep a lot of it.   While Obama claimed Romney wanted no regulations on anything.

Heck, most reporting on the "grand deal" tends to blame the Obama team as well.

While the republicans publically want to make themselves look like the one who won't budge on anything... actually, it mostly looks to be the opposite.


Have you watched anything on Romney? seems you have not. It seems a lot of republicans forget he flipped on every issue. He has been going around the country telling the exact opposite. You like to ignore all that and stick with his  etch a sketch moments like that has been his view all along. He will say and do anything that will get him elected.

 

Oh yea if you haven't noticed deregulation crashed us. So yes there is bad regulation and good regulation but as said above. You have stated many times to totally deregulate in the past. I will expect you to flip as much as mitt robbed me.


No I haven't?   Though no... de-regulation didn't crash us.  Out banking laws, even at the time of the GFC were pretty "liberal" compaired to Europeon standards.

The Banking Modernization act happened in the US partly because Glass-Steagal never existed in Europe... ever.

If Glass-Stegal and other regulations were so important... why had europeon banks never crashed?

 

What causd the crash was lazy/corrupt/incompetant regulators.  It's also why nobody was prosecuted.

 

You can have all the laws in the world, but when you police force doesn't arrest anyone it doesn't really matter.

 



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Kasz216 said:
spaceguy said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
Zappykins said:

I am kind of surprised by the polls. Seems like there are many vocal republicans on VGC.

My number once choice would be Jill Stein. I think she would be best for the country, with Obama second. She seems to stand for science, reason, fairness, etc.

Romney might be best for me in some ways (I own some business) but at the cost of people that have jobs and those that work for a living. And since they are my consumers I think I would lose in the long run and he would further damage the country and it's reputation. (Plus I think he is a major fail on basic civil rights, etc.)

I know my libertarian leaning friends love Johnson, but he seems think business and deregulation will solve everything and I just wonder where he has been living the last several years. Maybe there is something in him I don't see.

Here is a fun poll for anyone interested

Reality...

deregulation won't solve everything, but it would solve a lot.

You just need to look at the economy and understand why a lot of stuff isn't working. 

For example, most job growth in companies come after a company goes public with an IPO.

However, almost no companies go public anymore.

Most people founding companies don't want to go public anymore.

Why?  Excessive regulation after the Dot.com bubble.

Now everyone instead wants to create an awesome product, and sell it to some microsoft or sony or whoever to replace whatever product they alerady have, leading to no job gains.


We've actually had a jobs growth problem long before the GFC... starting after the dot.com crash.

The problem is that we tend to think of regulation in a "have it or don't" kind of way, and nobody really gives thought to fixing regulation because the side opposed to the current regulation usually just wants total deregulation, so we can't have an effective dialogue about what regulations are effective, or how we might fix them.

Part of the reason why you can't get anything done because of the Republicans. You can't have a dialogue with them.

Did you watch the Presidential debate?  I mean the exact opposite happened there.

Romney pointed out many issues with Dodd-Frank and mentioned that he'd keep a lot of it.   While Obama claimed Romney wanted no regulations on anything.

Heck, most reporting on the "grand deal" tends to blame the Obama team as well.

While the republicans publically want to make themselves look like the one who won't budge on anything... actually, it mostly looks to be the opposite.


Have you watched anything on Romney? seems you have not. It seems a lot of republicans forget he flipped on every issue. He has been going around the country telling the exact opposite. You like to ignore all that and stick with his  etch a sketch moments like that has been his view all along. He will say and do anything that will get him elected.

 

Oh yea if you haven't noticed deregulation crashed us. So yes there is bad regulation and good regulation but as said above. You have stated many times to totally deregulate in the past. I will expect you to flip as much as mitt robbed me.


No I haven't?   Though no... de-regulation didn't crash us.  Out banking laws, even at the time of the GFC were pretty "liberal" compaired to Europeon standards.

The Banking Modernization act happened in the US partly because Glass-Steagal never existed in Europe... ever.

If Glass-Stegal and other regulations were so important... why had europeon banks never crashed?

 

What causd the crash was lazy/corrupt/incompetant regulators.  It's also why nobody was prosecuted.

 

You can have all the laws in the world, but when you police force doesn't arrest anyone it doesn't really matter.

 


and it was bush that stopped them from doing so. He stopped regulation in it's tracks. We already talked about this. Just like obama is not enforcing laws on some illegal aliens. Same deal. This is romney for sure. He has said so over and over, until the debate and you seemed to forget this. Shake the etch a sketch.



spaceguy said:
Kasz216 said:
spaceguy said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
Zappykins said:

I am kind of surprised by the polls. Seems like there are many vocal republicans on VGC.

My number once choice would be Jill Stein. I think she would be best for the country, with Obama second. She seems to stand for science, reason, fairness, etc.

Romney might be best for me in some ways (I own some business) but at the cost of people that have jobs and those that work for a living. And since they are my consumers I think I would lose in the long run and he would further damage the country and it's reputation. (Plus I think he is a major fail on basic civil rights, etc.)

I know my libertarian leaning friends love Johnson, but he seems think business and deregulation will solve everything and I just wonder where he has been living the last several years. Maybe there is something in him I don't see.

Here is a fun poll for anyone interested

Reality...

deregulation won't solve everything, but it would solve a lot.

You just need to look at the economy and understand why a lot of stuff isn't working. 

For example, most job growth in companies come after a company goes public with an IPO.

However, almost no companies go public anymore.

Most people founding companies don't want to go public anymore.

Why?  Excessive regulation after the Dot.com bubble.

Now everyone instead wants to create an awesome product, and sell it to some microsoft or sony or whoever to replace whatever product they alerady have, leading to no job gains.


We've actually had a jobs growth problem long before the GFC... starting after the dot.com crash.

The problem is that we tend to think of regulation in a "have it or don't" kind of way, and nobody really gives thought to fixing regulation because the side opposed to the current regulation usually just wants total deregulation, so we can't have an effective dialogue about what regulations are effective, or how we might fix them.

Part of the reason why you can't get anything done because of the Republicans. You can't have a dialogue with them.

Did you watch the Presidential debate?  I mean the exact opposite happened there.

Romney pointed out many issues with Dodd-Frank and mentioned that he'd keep a lot of it.   While Obama claimed Romney wanted no regulations on anything.

Heck, most reporting on the "grand deal" tends to blame the Obama team as well.

While the republicans publically want to make themselves look like the one who won't budge on anything... actually, it mostly looks to be the opposite.


Have you watched anything on Romney? seems you have not. It seems a lot of republicans forget he flipped on every issue. He has been going around the country telling the exact opposite. You like to ignore all that and stick with his  etch a sketch moments like that has been his view all along. He will say and do anything that will get him elected.

 

Oh yea if you haven't noticed deregulation crashed us. So yes there is bad regulation and good regulation but as said above. You have stated many times to totally deregulate in the past. I will expect you to flip as much as mitt robbed me.


No I haven't?   Though no... de-regulation didn't crash us.  Out banking laws, even at the time of the GFC were pretty "liberal" compaired to Europeon standards.

The Banking Modernization act happened in the US partly because Glass-Steagal never existed in Europe... ever.

If Glass-Stegal and other regulations were so important... why had europeon banks never crashed?

 

What causd the crash was lazy/corrupt/incompetant regulators.  It's also why nobody was prosecuted.

 

You can have all the laws in the world, but when you police force doesn't arrest anyone it doesn't really matter.

 


and it was bush that stopped them from doing so. He stopped regulation in it's tracks. We already talked about this. Just like obama is not enforcing laws on some illegal aliens. Same deal. This is romney for sure. He has said so over and over, until the debate and you seemed to forget this. Shake the etch a sketch.

Except it wasn't Bush.

It started with Clinton...

and no Romney never said "I want to eliminate all regulations ever".

I'm guessing you probably never even heard romney make a speech outside what had been cut and pasted from the Obama campaign team/liberal websites.

 

If I say "I want to deregulate the candy bar market." that doesn't mean i want to remove EVERY law from the candy bar market.  It means there are laws I want to remove.

That's like saying "I want to regulate banking" means you want every single aspect about banking to be regulated extremely strictly.



SamuelRSmith said:
chocoloco said:
Independent who only votes Democrat as I think Republicans are the farthest group away from my political viewpoints except for maybe Nazis.


Except, you know, the Nazis were... "the national socialists", and very much favoured an all-powerful central Government (Hitler was 100% opposed to states-rights), state-intervention in the economy, state takeover of the largest industries (Volkswagon = people cars).

dont let facts and history get in the way of peoples misinformed ideas of what nazism is. the communists of russia and the nazis of germany werent that different from each other.



Kasz216 said:
spaceguy said:
Kasz216 said:
spaceguy said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
Zappykins said:

I am kind of surprised by the polls. Seems like there are many vocal republicans on VGC.

My number once choice would be Jill Stein. I think she would be best for the country, with Obama second. She seems to stand for science, reason, fairness, etc.

Romney might be best for me in some ways (I own some business) but at the cost of people that have jobs and those that work for a living. And since they are my consumers I think I would lose in the long run and he would further damage the country and it's reputation. (Plus I think he is a major fail on basic civil rights, etc.)

I know my libertarian leaning friends love Johnson, but he seems think business and deregulation will solve everything and I just wonder where he has been living the last several years. Maybe there is something in him I don't see.

Here is a fun poll for anyone interested

Reality...

deregulation won't solve everything, but it would solve a lot.

You just need to look at the economy and understand why a lot of stuff isn't working. 

For example, most job growth in companies come after a company goes public with an IPO.

However, almost no companies go public anymore.

Most people founding companies don't want to go public anymore.

Why?  Excessive regulation after the Dot.com bubble.

Now everyone instead wants to create an awesome product, and sell it to some microsoft or sony or whoever to replace whatever product they alerady have, leading to no job gains.


We've actually had a jobs growth problem long before the GFC... starting after the dot.com crash.

The problem is that we tend to think of regulation in a "have it or don't" kind of way, and nobody really gives thought to fixing regulation because the side opposed to the current regulation usually just wants total deregulation, so we can't have an effective dialogue about what regulations are effective, or how we might fix them.

Part of the reason why you can't get anything done because of the Republicans. You can't have a dialogue with them.

Did you watch the Presidential debate?  I mean the exact opposite happened there.

Romney pointed out many issues with Dodd-Frank and mentioned that he'd keep a lot of it.   While Obama claimed Romney wanted no regulations on anything.

Heck, most reporting on the "grand deal" tends to blame the Obama team as well.

While the republicans publically want to make themselves look like the one who won't budge on anything... actually, it mostly looks to be the opposite.


Have you watched anything on Romney? seems you have not. It seems a lot of republicans forget he flipped on every issue. He has been going around the country telling the exact opposite. You like to ignore all that and stick with his  etch a sketch moments like that has been his view all along. He will say and do anything that will get him elected.

 

Oh yea if you haven't noticed deregulation crashed us. So yes there is bad regulation and good regulation but as said above. You have stated many times to totally deregulate in the past. I will expect you to flip as much as mitt robbed me.


No I haven't?   Though no... de-regulation didn't crash us.  Out banking laws, even at the time of the GFC were pretty "liberal" compaired to Europeon standards.

The Banking Modernization act happened in the US partly because Glass-Steagal never existed in Europe... ever.

If Glass-Stegal and other regulations were so important... why had europeon banks never crashed?

 

What causd the crash was lazy/corrupt/incompetant regulators.  It's also why nobody was prosecuted.

 

You can have all the laws in the world, but when you police force doesn't arrest anyone it doesn't really matter.

 


and it was bush that stopped them from doing so. He stopped regulation in it's tracks. We already talked about this. Just like obama is not enforcing laws on some illegal aliens. Same deal. This is romney for sure. He has said so over and over, until the debate and you seemed to forget this. Shake the etch a sketch.

Except it wasn't Bush.

It started with Clinton...

and no Romney never said "I want to eliminate all regulations ever".

I'm guessing you probably never even heard romney make a speech outside what had been cut and pasted from the Obama campaign team/liberal websites.

 

If I say "I want to deregulate the candy bar market." that doesn't mean i want to remove EVERY law from the candy bar market.  It means there are laws I want to remove.

That's like saying "I want to regulate banking" means you want every single aspect about banking to be regulated extremely strictly.


yes glass steagal was removed under clinton, There was still regulation. Bush did away with this as well because he didn't enforce it. I think you don't understand the powers of the president. Just like reagan stopped enforcing the Sherman anti trusts laws. Allowing banks to get as massive as they did. I told you already the shift to the right was done by clinton and is continued by obama. I have watched Romney but I'm not sure you have because I sit and watch him and remember all the sh-t he said in the past, to what he is saying now. The point you refuse to see it is remarkable.

Do you own a etch a sketch? Oh of coarse you do.



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Lemme see here, science and knowledge oriented democrats (kinda hippies who can't actually get anything done), or religiously motivated, fear mongering, 'traditional value' republicans (who are even less effective but only becuase they're too busy slamming democrats.)

I'll go with the lesser evil, thanks. Democrats all the way.



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spaceguy said:
Kasz216 said:
spaceguy said:
Kasz216 said:
spaceguy said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
 

 

 

 

 

Romney pointed out many issues with Dodd-Frank and mentioned that he'd keep a lot of it.   While Obama claimed Romney wanted no regulations on anything.

Heck, most reporting on the "grand deal" tends to blame the Obama team as well.

While the republicans publically want to make themselves look like the one who won't budge on anything... actually, it mostly looks to be the opposite.


Have you watched anything on Romney? seems you have not. It seems a lot of republicans forget he flipped on every issue. He has been going around the country telling the exact opposite. You like to ignore all that and stick with his  etch a sketch moments like that has been his view all along. He will say and do anything that will get him elected.

 

Oh yea if you haven't noticed deregulation crashed us. So yes there is bad regulation and good regulation but as said above. You have stated many times to totally deregulate in the past. I will expect you to flip as much as mitt robbed me.


No I haven't?   Though no... de-regulation didn't crash us.  Out banking laws, even at the time of the GFC were pretty "liberal" compaired to Europeon standards.

The Banking Modernization act happened in the US partly because Glass-Steagal never existed in Europe... ever.

If Glass-Stegal and other regulations were so important... why had europeon banks never crashed?

 

What causd the crash was lazy/corrupt/incompetant regulators.  It's also why nobody was prosecuted.

 

You can have all the laws in the world, but when you police force doesn't arrest anyone it doesn't really matter.

 


and it was bush that stopped them from doing so. He stopped regulation in it's tracks. We already talked about this. Just like obama is not enforcing laws on some illegal aliens. Same deal. This is romney for sure. He has said so over and over, until the debate and you seemed to forget this. Shake the etch a sketch.

Except it wasn't Bush.

It started with Clinton...

and no Romney never said "I want to eliminate all regulations ever".

I'm guessing you probably never even heard romney make a speech outside what had been cut and pasted from the Obama campaign team/liberal websites.

 

If I say "I want to deregulate the candy bar market." that doesn't mean i want to remove EVERY law from the candy bar market.  It means there are laws I want to remove.

That's like saying "I want to regulate banking" means you want every single aspect about banking to be regulated extremely strictly.


yes glass steagal was removed under clinton, There was still regulation. Bush did away with this as well because he didn't enforce it. I think you don't understand the powers of the president. Just like reagan stopped enforcing the Sherman anti trusts laws. Allowing banks to get as massive as they did. I told you already the shift to the right was done by clinton and is continued by obama. I have watched Romney but I'm not sure you have because I sit and watch him and remember all the sh-t he said in the past, to what he is saying now. The point you refuse to see it is remarkable.

Do you own a etch a sketch? Oh of coarse you do.

Actually no.  Clinton was the first one to stop doing that.  Predatory lending started to rise under him... and regulation stopped under him.

What you mistakenly are thinking of and refrenced in the other thread was Bush blocking state based anti-predatory laws.

Which is pretty analgous to Obama's blocking of Arizona's attempts to handle immigration law.

I'd suggest you look into the Sub prime Loan market... and just how much it grew under Clinton first.  If that's what your blaming.  Clinton lit the fuse.  He wanted to raise minority home ownership.

 

Outside which.   Your ignoring two other regulating groups.

The federal reserve had broad discretionary power to regulate the banks and stop them from making sub prime mortgages.

Additionally, the vast majority of Sub Prime loans were CRA related Fannie and Freddie had to approve each of these loans.

(Ironically actually, Bush wanted greater regulation on them.)