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Well kasz216, none of us want you to have kids anyways....so what you think about that? HUH?



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jlauro said:
 

Personally I am against most of the exceptions. That said, if the choices of reducing the murders a day by a million a year instead of a million and 100 thousand, or not being called a hypocrite and letting the killing of millions of inocent lives go on than I don't care what you call me.

Abortion is legal for all 9 months in the United States. No one has answered yet what the difference is besides a few hours for labor and delivery. I think you are a much bigger hypocrate if you are pro choice and don't support the parents killing their baby for the first few months or years after it's been born!

 

 


 Wow, you just managed to miss the entire point of pro-choicers.

 People who are pro choice don't believe that in the early stages of development a fertilised egg can be recognised as human life. Of course a baby is human life and thus has human rights.

It is hypocritical in my opinion to support 'murder' only in certain circumstances and as 'pro-lifers' believe that abortion is murder they should be against all abortion. Personally I support murder under no circumstances but I do not view abortion as murder until the child is around 5 months into development.



@fkusumot

Fair enough. But I still think that in order for me to actually be able to feel pain, I must also be able to think. That is, in order for what I feel to count as pain, I must have sufficient conscious to realise that I would prefer that what I am feeling would go away. So if I can feel I can think (to some basic level), therefore I am.



Declan said:
@fkusumot

Fair enough. But I still think that in order for me to actually be able to feel pain, I must also be able to think. That is, in order for what I feel to count as pain, I must have sufficient conscious to realise that I would prefer that what I am feeling would go away. So if I can feel I can think (to some basic level), therefore I am.

 Fine. IF that works for you. Now how do you determine the same about others?



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Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:

How can you justify abortions when the mother's life is in danger? And people under the age of consent?

How is killing someone else for those reasons any more right then killing people for other reasons? If you legally define a fetus as a person, you can't at all have abortions. For ANY reason. Including situations where there is literally no chance of either patient surviving.

It would go against the Hippocratic Oath. No doctor would perform a "legal" abortion.

Also, anyone who voted for such a law would be a hypocrite of the highest order. Giving fetuses conditional humanity is worse then none at all. It's something I can't understand in people who see fetuses as kids. It's the real inhumanity in this debate.

Well they wouldn't be hypocrites if they believed in speeding up people's deaths to save people on trasnplant lists and the like. But like I said. Inhuman.

(slight spelling corrections and the like have been performed by me on the above)

Epic win. Pro-lifers who make exceptions for rape and so on are hypocrites.

Every pro-lifer needs to be able to fully address this post.

As for me, pro-choice. Up to some point more than halfway through the pregnancy the life is not a person but rather a potential person, and in many cases the likely outcome of that potential is not good or even ruinous to the person, the mother/family, or both.


1. I've already addressed the points above.  But they are important questions that people should think about.  Why do some support allowing abortion in cases of rape and incest, as if that makes a child less a child?  I don't see the logic in it.

2. How do you decide that a fetus is human randomly at the halfway point in a pregnancy?  That is a ridiculous statement.  Not only have children been born before that point and survived, but what makes a fetus non-human one day and human the next?  How do you even know what is halfway through a pregnancy since they aren't the same length?

This kind of thinking is what most mystifies me about those who are pro-abortion (or at least pro-keeping-abortion-legal).  It can lead easily to the conclusion that you are merely rationalizing the issue for convenience's sake, since it is completely illogical.  Also, please explain to me how a fetus with its own genetic code, growing on its own, with its own body, beating heart and brain wave activity is not human but merely a "potential" person.



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Lord N said:
mrstickball said:
fkusumot - We're discussing real, relevant life here, and not a random gamertag I use on XBL based off of my paintball career.

Koffieboon - what about a 5 week old infant? If it was left on it's own, it'd die without nutrition - just like an unborn child. Even then, we've seen through many many accounts that infants born 23 weeks and such have survived due to great medical advances.

At what point do we consider a fetus something worth caring about? When it has a 100% chance of living? 90%? 5%? When the mother deems so? When the baby can talk?
A 5-week-old infant is a sentient being. A fetus is not. It is undeveloped tissue that is, in fact, a part of its mother's body. Like I said before, the only place we can draw the line is at birth, when it becomes a sentient being and its body can carry on its life functions without the mother's body. Another thing to consider: a woman takes a vacation to Vegas, gets drunk, has a one-night stand with some random guy she met in a bar, then comes back home and finds out a few weeks later she's pregnant. She obviously doesn't know who the father is and will most likely never find out. She lives alone and has no one to turn to for financial assistance, so obviously she can't afford to carry the pregnancy to term because she'd have to miss time from work, and her job doesn't offer paid maternity leave. Yeah, she should have exercised more caution before she got naked with some dude, but accidents happen, and there needs to be a legal way to fix them.
People who are pro-life too often try to take a moral high ground and argue based on their emotions rather than logic and rationality.

 

That was anolther lame excuse pro-chicers make. Ok so she gets home from vegas pregnant, no clue who the father is, money problems, then put the kid up for adoption it is not the baby's fault the mom made a dumb @$$ mistake. If someone has money problems it is cheaper to put the child up for adoption then abortion so that makes no sense.

 


 Yes, because we all know that she can put the child up for abortion while it's still inside her body.

 Seriously, did you even read my post entirely? I said that perhaps she can't go through with the pregnancy because she'd have to miss work and lose money. There would also be the case of increased medical bills.



 

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^^^ Whatever there is still no excuse for killing a human being in my opinion.