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US$ 380mi for Gaikai isn't that much money.

Sony intends to use it for much more than games.

I can see a future where Sony Pictures + Sony Music + Gaikai will work together.



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nice article, personally I think Gaikai wasn't needed cause Sony already has streaming services up and running in the form of Music Unlimited, Video Unlimited, Vidzone etc.. surely 1 wizkid could come up with how to connect a dualshock to it for less then 380million dollar.. maybe 2 whizkids..

investors just don't like this buying and selling assets without takeling their bigger problems first.. which is understandable looking at what happend to sharp a few days ago..



 

Face the future.. Gamecenter ID: nikkom_nl (oh no he didn't!!) 

We shall see what happens. But expect the next quarterly statement to have at least -1.8 billion in profit thanks to this news.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

ganoncrotch said:
kain_kusanagi said:
kitler53 said:
i know nothing about any medical equipment but at the time of the gaikai buyout i heard nothing but praise from investors. to me, that particular buyout seemed reasonably prices with a good amount of potential. ..i hope so at least.


I'm not so sure Gaikai was a good buy. After what happened to OnLive it's not looking good for cloud gaming. As someone who's broadband internet isn't fast enough I'm glad that it will be a long while before it takes off. I prefer buying games on actual media that I can hold. MS smartly didn't buy Onlive even though they have the money.


I think the main fear now of anyone putting any money into a cloud gaming on-live type account was after the scare that they were going to go bankrupt people realized that if that happens they have nothing, you have spent money for games you will never have access to again and there really wouldn't be any fair comeback, it's not like the xbox where if microsoft stopped existing tomorrow all the games on my shelf would vanish. I think the prospect of investing money into a gaming collection which could just dissappear is not gonna happen.

 

As a nuts games collector too the concept of cloud gaming is kinda nasty for me, gotta have the boxes on a shelf!

and i get that and to a certain extent i have also been that.  but let me ask... do you have netflix?

psn+ is basically gaming netflx..or at least developing into that.  yeah i know, i don't get to keep the games forever.  but you know what?.. i get around $2,000 in content a year for only $50.  it's really the same as netflix where for $10 a month i get hundreds of thousands of movies/tv.  at that price i'm quite alright with not "owning" the content because i'd be spending a tens of thousands of dollars a year instead of $120 for how much content i consume.  now with gaikai wrapped into the service so that i didn't have to have a 500 Gb drive for the massive amount of downloading.  fuck yeah!

i mean think about it.  the average consumer only buys 1 or 2 games a year.  if for the same price of owning those aren't you just a bit tempted to have every game ever even if you do not techincally "own" it?  a couple of years back i gave away my nes, snes, n64, and all of it's games.  it is surpisingly easy to get rid of that old junk especially have having it sit in  an unopened box for up to 20 years.  i just don't think i care for that little box of crap anymore, it's a waste of space to me now.



They just really need to learn how to create brand synergy. PS4 should be a defibrillator. Take that, vitality sensor!



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kowenicki said:
Who knows? Time will tell.

I can see the sense in the medical venture. Gaikai seemed like a lot of money purely for expertise, could have just poached the staff.

I suspect slightly better results in the October release though. Reporting season is almost upon us.


When do the big 3 report their numbers?



on the day they bought the percents of olympus for like 600 million dollar they sold their chemical business for almost the same money so at least that was just like an exchange^^. (i believe i read that anywhere hope i didn't dream it)



kitler53 said:
ganoncrotch said:
kain_kusanagi said:
kitler53 said:
i know nothing about any medical equipment but at the time of the gaikai buyout i heard nothing but praise from investors. to me, that particular buyout seemed reasonably prices with a good amount of potential. ..i hope so at least.


I'm not so sure Gaikai was a good buy. After what happened to OnLive it's not looking good for cloud gaming. As someone who's broadband internet isn't fast enough I'm glad that it will be a long while before it takes off. I prefer buying games on actual media that I can hold. MS smartly didn't buy Onlive even though they have the money.


I think the main fear now of anyone putting any money into a cloud gaming on-live type account was after the scare that they were going to go bankrupt people realized that if that happens they have nothing, you have spent money for games you will never have access to again and there really wouldn't be any fair comeback, it's not like the xbox where if microsoft stopped existing tomorrow all the games on my shelf would vanish. I think the prospect of investing money into a gaming collection which could just dissappear is not gonna happen.

 

As a nuts games collector too the concept of cloud gaming is kinda nasty for me, gotta have the boxes on a shelf!

and i get that and to a certain extent i have also been that.  but let me ask... do you have netflix?

psn+ is basically gaming netflx..or at least developing into that.  yeah i know, i don't get to keep the games forever.  but you know what?.. i get around $2,000 in content a year for only $50.  it's really the same as netflix where for $10 a month i get hundreds of thousands of movies/tv.  at that price i'm quite alright with not "owning" the content because i'd be spending a tens of thousands of dollars a year instead of $120 for how much content i consume.  now with gaikai wrapped into the service so that i didn't have to have a 500 Gb drive for the massive amount of downloading.  fuck yeah!

i mean think about it.  the average consumer only buys 1 or 2 games a year.  if for the same price of owning those aren't you just a bit tempted to have every game ever even if you do not techincally "own" it?  a couple of years back i gave away my nes, snes, n64, and all of it's games.  it is surpisingly easy to get rid of that old junk especially have having it sit in  an unopened box for up to 20 years.  i just don't think i care for that little box of crap anymore, it's a waste of space to me now.

well what you're basically saying is why own stuff when you could rent it instead cheaper? I don't actually use netflix myself just never found a need to  but I think you mistook what I meant, I still own every system I've ever bought, but they still all get played and are all about my 42in HD tv ready to rock, about 2 weeks ago myself and 3 mates were playing F-Zero and Smash bros on the N64, now I know we could all just have been sitting at our pcs at home using emulation and gameranger to play that online together and jump on TS3 and talk to each other, but I come from a small enough town here, none of my mates live further than a 10-15 min walk and nothing beats a room full of people howling at a screen as someones craft goes hurtling off deep blue at 800miles an hour :D Oh I should also point out when it comes to space, because of the town I'm at isn't really a city or so houses and rent are fairly cheap here, paying less than half what I did in a nearby city for a 2 bedroom flat for a 3 storey house, storage space is no concern given property price here.



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kain_kusanagi said:
ganoncrotch said:
kain_kusanagi said:
kitler53 said:
i know nothing about any medical equipment but at the time of the gaikai buyout i heard nothing but praise from investors. to me, that particular buyout seemed reasonably prices with a good amount of potential. ..i hope so at least.


I'm not so sure Gaikai was a good buy. After what happened to OnLive it's not looking good for cloud gaming. As someone who's broadband internet isn't fast enough I'm glad that it will be a long while before it takes off. I prefer buying games on actual media that I can hold. MS smartly didn't buy Onlive even though they have the money.


I think the main fear now of anyone putting any money into a cloud gaming on-live type account was after the scare that they were going to go bankrupt people realized that if that happens they have nothing, you have spent money for games you will never have access to again and there really wouldn't be any fair comeback, it's not like the xbox where if microsoft stopped existing tomorrow all the games on my shelf would vanish. I think the prospect of investing money into a gaming collection which could just dissappear is not gonna happen.

 

As a nuts games collector too the concept of cloud gaming is kinda nasty for me, gotta have the boxes on a shelf!

I'm in the same boat as you. I don't sell my games/consoles. I have everything going back to Atari. I have purchased only a few, when on sale, digital only games. I enjoy them, but I can't help but wonder if I'll be able to play them in 20 years like I can my NES games. I purchased Outrun 2 Online on XBLA. Sega pulled it because thier deal for the Ferrari license ended. I can still play it, but it's no longer up for purchase. What happens if I delete it? I don't know. Will it always be part of my account, no matter what? I hope so. Maybe it will come back with a new Ferrari license or replacement look alike cars. I'm happy that I can still play the game, but who knows for how long I'll get to.

At least my Outrun 2006 Coast 2 Coast for Xbox will work for as long as I have an original Xbox to play it on.

The thing I really can't stand about cloud gaming like OnLive is that you don't even purchase a digital copy. You just pay for a service like you would cable TV.  If you're playing a cloud game and it gets pulled it's like a TV show getting canceled. But you can't record the games like you can TV shows.

AFAIK the games that were pulled from the stores of systems can be played as long as you have the files, but yeah if you delete the game from the System I don't believe there is a way to redownload them again, but since it's an xbla game you would be able to move that to a USB stick for fear of losing it if something happened to your Xbox.

But yeah you get what I meant exactly, it's that fear that you could lose it all so easily, heck it's not even a case of if on-live was to go down permanently you would lose it, there are times here if my net is down for maintanence or w/e imagine if any time you didn't have internet your consoles all go away too, not much fun to just be sitting there with nada or getting dc'd in the middle of a single player game, A joy only known by Diablo 3 players until now :D



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kowenicki said:
The company does not operate in its own bubble and spending money makes the lenders and investors nervous given the Sony situation.  The recent rating reductions are serious and impact the bottom line quite heavily as time passes and can hamper expansion and innovation.   If you burn through your cash then where do you get the cash to grow and for R&D? you borrow it.   Sony have been heavy borrowers in the last 20 years.  Borrowing becomes expensive when your debt is rated one point above junk.

I think you're pretty much dead on with this one.

It really isn't a matter of trying to keep the consumers happy when you're in the boat Sony is presently in, save for trying to get that killer product that sells. As a publically traded company, they are at the mercy of the people who invested, the lenders who (thanks to the credit downgrade again) will be charging them even more interest without knowing if they're going to see their money back and the like. That can't be nice for Hirai at this point. Just the stress of that situation would probably crush most people.

I think that's why I found the article interesting. It isn't doom and gloom, just a statement of nervousness by people who honestly want to see what Hirai has up his sleeve. Guy needs to be a magician right about now.