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Who won the debate?

President Barack Obama 220 34.65%
 
Governor Mitt Romney 265 41.73%
 
Nobody 141 22.20%
 
Total:626
Runa216 said:
I was watching some written commentary about the debate, and from what I heard, Romney was an ignorant douchebag. Like Bill OReilly, you don't 'win' by shouting over the moderator and your opponent, you 'win' by having better points.

Yet the american people seem to think that shouting louder means you won. Honestly, I HOPE you get Romney. Serves your country right for being full of morons who are easily swayed by loud noises.

"I had five seconds before you interrupted me."-Mitt Romney...oh wait, that was Obama. Sorry...



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For the ones saying Romney is very vague... Isn't that how Obama got into office to start? Hope and change right?



As for the poll... I voted nobody because I worked 5-10.



The breakdown as I see it:

Romney was nervous the entire time constantly trying to over defend his points...not that he any real good ones...just recycling the Republican Bravado that has been more than debunked by fact checkers.

Obama hammering on that 5 trillion dollar tax cut borders on rediculous...While I agree that Romney needs to define the loop holes and the deductions he claims will cover the cost of this, it just made Obama sound like a broken record...Overall I do think that Obama's tax plan will be more effective in the long run at this point...I personally I want to see Romney's plan on paper and see how he can possibly make up the difference 5 trillion + 2 trillion in military spending using loop holes and deductions alone...

Overall both performed horribly...Romney being too defensive and Obama was clearly overconfident.



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kaneada said:

The breakdown as I see it:

Romney was nervous the entire time constantly trying to over defend his points...not that he any real good ones...just recycling the Republican Bravado that has been more than debunked by fact checkers.

Obama hammering on that 5 trillion dollar tax cut borders on rediculous...While I agree that Romney needs to define the loop holes and the deductions he claims will cover the cost of this, it just made Obama sound like a broken record...Overall I do think that Obama's tax plan will be more effective in the long run at this point...I personally I want to see Romney's plan on paper and see how he can possibly make up the difference 5 trillion + 2 trillion in military spending using loop holes and deductions alone...

Overall both performed horribly...Romney being too defensive and Obama was clearly overconfident.

interesting, it seemed to me that Obama was on the defense most of the time.  Comparing Romney's performance to his primary debates, I think Romney may have had the best debate of his life.  

In the end though, I think they performed about the same, but I have to give kudo's to Romney for huge improvements.  



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kaneada said:

The breakdown as I see it:

Romney was nervous the entire time constantly trying to over defend his points...not that he any real good ones...just recycling the Republican Bravado that has been more than debunked by fact checkers.

Obama hammering on that 5 trillion dollar tax cut borders on rediculous...While I agree that Romney needs to define the loop holes and the deductions he claims will cover the cost of this, it just made Obama sound like a broken record...Overall I do think that Obama's tax plan will be more effective in the long run at this point...I personally I want to see Romney's plan on paper and see how he can possibly make up the difference 5 trillion + 2 trillion in military spending using loop holes and deductions alone...

Overall both performed horribly...Romney being too defensive and Obama was clearly overconfident.

Romney's tax plan really isn't that complicated ...

When you look at income tax rates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States) and the effective tax rate people actually pay (http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=456) there is a massive gap between the two because of the impact of tax credits and deductions. For example, in 2007 the effective tax rate on the top 1% of income earners was 29.5% even though the highest income bracket is taxed at 35%.

If you lower the marginal tax rate to the effective tax rate people are actually paying and eliminated the tax deductions and loopholes that is used to lower people's tax rates the tax revenue collected would remain (practically) the same; and you wouldn't need nearly as many accountants in businesses or the IRS to make sure that people had done their taxes "correctly".



Runa216 said:

I was watching some written commentary about the debate, and from what I heard, Romney was an ignorant douchebag. Like Bill OReilly, you don't 'win' by shouting over the moderator and your opponent, you 'win' by having better points.

Yet the american people seem to think that shouting louder means you won. Honestly, I HOPE you get Romney. Serves your country right for being full of morons who are easily swayed by loud noises.

-moderated Kasz216


Having watched the debate, I can tell you that there really wasn't any shouting going on.  Perhaps it would be better to form opinions from a primary source instead of from somebody's biased opinion?



I notice a lot on here making a big deal of a non-issue. When Obama was not looking at Romney when Romney spoke, didn't any of you notice the pen moving? He was taking notes on what to respond with. And who's the candidate getting unfairly treated, again?

The one thing that stood out in my mind was "Boy Romney sounds like a self entitled spoiled brat whenever he had to get the last say.." Other than that, a rather dull debate.



the only silver lining for Obama is that because Romney "won" the debate to fact checkers are coming down hard on him.....I think the biggest factual error that Romney spouted was his 14 mil job being created while president while economist from both the Republican and Democratic sides have said the that's the overall projected growth of jobs in the next four years..

Obama potentially has some ammo to use on Romney in the next debate, hopefully he'll use it than just looking at his shoes....



Im 20 minutes into the debate. And fordy... that isn't what happened at all so far. Obama was the first to speak over the dude "Wait a minute I'm about to make an important point here." And I can look down and move my pen without taking notes. It's called a poker face. A good debater will write a couple of words and regain composure right away