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the_dengle said:
lilbroex said:

Show me a Wii game that looks better on the 3DS and I'll show you a Wii game that was ported from the 3DS to the Wii  with no effort put into it.

Comapre Sonic Generation 3DS to Sonic Colors, Mario Kart Wii to Mario Kart 7, Monkey Ball Wii to Monkey Ball 3DS.

As far as I'm aware, we're talking about power, not graphical capabilities. Wii isn't capable of displaying in 3D, nor on two screens simultaneously, nor running home menu functions while suspending gameplay. Streetpass, gyroscope, cameras, touch screens. The 3DS is a powerful machine. You can't *see* how powerful it is just by looking at its graphics.

Thats a "feature" difference, not a power difference and actually the Wii can because the Gamecube was(GBA Adapater) and the Wii can play those very same Gamecube games...

It doesn't show 3D because  it wasn't made to. All the 3DS is doing is rendering the picture twice with a slight offset depending on where the camera sees your eyes staring.

Thirdly, the GPU and CPU in the Wii are both WAYYY stronger than the ones in the 3DS both feature wise and raw power wise.



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MDMAlliance said:
TheBardsSong said:
Most 3DS games look worse than your average PSP game if you ask me. The only one I feel actually demonstrates the supposed power is Resident Evil: Revelations.


Do you even own a 3DS?  I own a 3DS, and I have 12 games for the 3DS.  I really disagree with you completely on that statement.


Yeah, I own a 3DS and PSP. The majority of 3DS games (pretty much excluding 1st party, Capcom, and a few others) seem to suffer from blurry textures and slowdown a lot. I also question if it's as powerful as the last gen consoles since PS2 ports (Tales of the Abyss, Metal Gear Solid 3D) have to cut visual details and still chug a bit.



TheBardsSong said:
MDMAlliance said:
TheBardsSong said:
Most 3DS games look worse than your average PSP game if you ask me. The only one I feel actually demonstrates the supposed power is Resident Evil: Revelations.


Do you even own a 3DS?  I own a 3DS, and I have 12 games for the 3DS.  I really disagree with you completely on that statement.


Yeah, I own a 3DS and PSP. The majority of 3DS games (pretty much excluding 1st party, Capcom, and a few others) seem to suffer from blurry textures and slowdown a lot. I also question if it's as powerful as the last gen consoles since PS2 ports (Tales of the Abyss, Metal Gear Solid 3D) have to cut visual details and still chug a bit.

I don't think you played Tales of the Abyss for the PS2.  They also enhanced details for MGS3D.  Both ports were probably done pretty sloppily.  Those are only two games you mentioned, and even then they were better looking than the PSP.  



To my surprise 3DS's GPU it has very nice features like:

"The 3D processing core of PICA200 consists of up to four programmable vertex pipelines that can be rearranged as four pixel pipelines"

and

"Full-scene anti-aliasing (2×2)"

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PICA200

Its architecture seems to be modern (or at least close to the modern desktop GPUs) when compared the Wii's Hollywood GPU.

Perhaps this is why we have a good looking game like RE:R so early on its life cycle.



The Wii is more powerful than the 3DS. This is not up for debate.

But, the 3Ds has a much more modern feature set that allows it to do things the Wii simply couldn't do (but not because it wasn't powerful enough to do it).



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Viper1 said:
The Wii is more powerful than the 3DS. This is not up for debate.

But, the 3Ds has a much more modern feature set that allows it to do things the Wii simply couldn't do (but not because it wasn't powerful enough to do it).


I'm trying to figure out what is meant by "more powerful" in this context.  Is this more about the actual power consumption itself and how much power, I guess for a lack of better words, flows through the system?  In which case, that's not really a fair comparison as you want to consume less, right?  I'm talking about "power" as in efficiency and capabilities.  



MDMAlliance said:
Viper1 said:
The Wii is more powerful than the 3DS. This is not up for debate.

But, the 3Ds has a much more modern feature set that allows it to do things the Wii simply couldn't do (but not because it wasn't powerful enough to do it).


I'm trying to figure out what is meant by "more powerful" in this context.  Is this more about the actual power consumption itself and how much power, I guess for a lack of better words, flows through the system?  In which case, that's not really a fair comparison as you want to consume less, right?  I'm talking about "power" as in efficiency and capabilities.  

Power as in performance capability of the hardware.

The Wii easily can push more Gflops than the 3DS. 



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Viper1 said:
MDMAlliance said:
Viper1 said:
The Wii is more powerful than the 3DS. This is not up for debate.

But, the 3Ds has a much more modern feature set that allows it to do things the Wii simply couldn't do (but not because it wasn't powerful enough to do it).


I'm trying to figure out what is meant by "more powerful" in this context.  Is this more about the actual power consumption itself and how much power, I guess for a lack of better words, flows through the system?  In which case, that's not really a fair comparison as you want to consume less, right?  I'm talking about "power" as in efficiency and capabilities.  

Power as in performance capability of the hardware.

The Wii easily can push more Gflops than the 3DS. 


In other terms, it performs more computations at once due to its power being able to support it?



its not up to debate
the Wii is more powerfull than the 3DS, maybe its closer to the GC, but still not as efficient



MDMAlliance said:
F0X said:

The specs of the 3DS (which is what we are discussing in this thread, supposedly) is a seperate issue from how the games actually look, I believe. I mean to say that the 3D effect impacts performance, but has no bearing on a discussion about raw power (or at least should not be considered a negative). In fact, I think it's impressive how the 3DS can produce graphics comparable to Wii/GC but in 3D. It's great. If we're taking about the perforance of the 3DS in practice as opposed to a discussion solely about the specs, it would be unwise to point at 2D screenshots as evidence that the 3DS is, at least spec-wise, less powerful than other systems.


Less powerful in what way are we saying?  The 3DS has more RAM, a dualcore rather than a single core processor (though clocked at a lower speed) than the other system, an arguably better CPU, and more modern tech.  I'm not sure what we're looking at at this point.  

The total RAM used for the Wii is less than the 3DS and the amount used for games are the same I believe.  VRAM is higher in the 3DS, and the 3DS uses a superior FCRAM.  Though the reported clock speeds of the Wii are significantly higher, the fact that the 3DS is a handheld and is using more modern tech (can do more with less), it isn't exactly needed to have higher clocking speeds.  If you wanted to compare the clock speeds, the reported clock speeds for the Wii are potentially higher than the Vita.  So are you saying the Wii is potentially more powerful than the Vita based off of certain speculations, especially if we want to ignore all the points I made?

I think you misunderstand me, but I admit to not being perfectly clear in the first place. I agree with you about the 3DS being more powerful than the Wii, but I don't believe that any current 3DS games make full use of that power, and even if one were to do so, 2D screenshots would not do it justice considering that 3D does impact performance in some way (though it could still look markedly better than any Wii game, potentially). Basically, and I'm saying this not to you specifically, but to those who would compare screenshots when I find them to be irrelevant at this time (though I couldn't resist posting some PSP/3DS comparisions myself), we need to compare specs and nothing else.

I have yet to unfavorably compare a 3DS game's graphics to games on GameCube or Wii, so I'm not claiming that the 3DS is less powerful than either system. I don't think any current game is indicative of what the 3DS can do as of yet, nor do I think any Wii game has yet to properly represent what the system is fully capable of. It would be an unfair comparison in many ways, and what I've tried and failed to say was that the only aspects we should look at are the specs (and again, it wasn't 100% directed at you in the first place).

Clock speeds, I agree, don't matter since the 3DS and Vita use more modern technology. Vita can easily do more, and so could the 3DS. Now let's go back to the thread topic. How does it compare to the PSP?



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