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be more like Sony in gene... 35 19.55%
 
have at least one studio like Team Ico. 53 29.61%
 
not bother with the segment. 91 50.84%
 
Total:179

No they should not.



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Torillian said:
DaRev said:
phenom08 said:
ninetailschris said:
 

What about wanting Nintendo to copy a game like Shadow of Colossus? Game that sold 1.14 on the ps2. The collection only getting .75 on ps3. Who in there right mind would want to copy that? Where did these guys get there logic from?  Kirby games outsell that game.

Their logic came from wanting to believe Sony is superior. It's how they go to sleep at night. They can't stand seeing Sony go from first to last. That's why we are always reminded of what happened in the past and that's why we are always reminding them of the existence of handhelds.

I like how they always jump on Mario's back, and claiming that Nintendo should stop making Mario games so often. Simple fact is that Mario, like a lot of other Ninty first party games, sells systems. This is why games like New Super Mario Bros 2 dominate sales charts around the world and sells 3DSs, while Sony hopes and prays for some 3rd party developer to make a game for their Vita or now the slimmer than slim but no cheaper PS3 to help pull them from thhe brink of oblivion.


Could just be because they thought SotC was one of the most amazing and critically acclaimed unique games they've ever played and think that Nintendo could use another couple games like that.  Or no, it's probably all those things you guys are talking about.  y'know by this logic Nintendo should just go copy Angry Birds since that shits all over NSMB, but that'd be stupid because it wouldn't be the amazing game I assume you guys love to play.  Sales numbers or no there are some games that will be remembered for a really long time as the best that their generation had to offer, and why shouldn't Nintendo get another one of those?  Sure they have tons already, but does one more actually hurt them?  

I know this is a site dedicated to sales, but you guys do know that a game's quality isn't defined by it and you can have an amazing game that doesn't sell millions, right?  Or do you honestly believe everything you say about not bothering to make a game like the one that almost always makes it into top 10's for best games ever?  

I'm sure this all falls on deaf ears, and you'll continue to go on and on about sales while I try and talk about the quality of games. 

It truly is sad at how much Sony fans believe they know. Why exactly should Ninty make a game like that? Because a bunch of Sony fans want something like that out of them, while the Ninty fans don't. So why should they please you over me, a loyal fan? You make absolutely no sense what so ever. It's like me asking for Sony to make games like Metriod even though I don't even support them. They make what their FANS want, not what some random internet dwellers wants lol. I don't care what you think is quality, millions don't think so, so who cares about how much you like SOTC. Wow it truly is sad how much you guys try lol. Let it go, let Sony be Sony and Ninty be Ninty. I think Ninty has it right, those blue lines are the tallest on the front page for a reason. They have a massive fanbase to please, they don't waste time pleasing Sony fans lol. That's Sony's job. ;)



I'd be fine with them funding a vanity project instead of trying to make it themselves.

That's basically what Bayonetta 2 is, really. Just a different genre.

Maybe when Ueda finds what studio he wants to work with after The Last Guardian is complete.



phenom08 said:

It truly is sad at how much Sony fans believe they know. Why exactly should Sony make a game like that? Because a bunch of Sony fans want something like that out of them, while the Ninty fans don't. So why should they please you over me, a loyal fan? You make absolutely no sense what so ever. It's like me asking for Sony to make games like Metriod even though I don't even support them. They make what their FANS want, not what some random internet dwellers want lol. I don't care what you think is quality, millions don't think so, so who cares about how much you like SOTC. Wow it truly is sad how much you guys try lol. Let it go, let Sony be Sony and Ninty be Ninty. I think Ninty has it right, those blue lines are the tallest on the front page for a reason. They have a massive fanbase to please, they don't waste time pleasing Sony fans lol. That's Sony's job. ;)

You are on the razor's edge of having a very bad time

There is nothing wrong with wanting to be served in the context of any given platform

Christ, I have a PS3 solely for the Last Guardian. That's not hyperbole; it's a true fact. It would make things so much simpler if the game were coming to the Wii U or the PC. Wanting more games on your platform of choice is not bad.



Khuutra said:
phenom08 said:

It truly is sad at how much Sony fans believe they know. Why exactly should Sony make a game like that? Because a bunch of Sony fans want something like that out of them, while the Ninty fans don't. So why should they please you over me, a loyal fan? You make absolutely no sense what so ever. It's like me asking for Sony to make games like Metriod even though I don't even support them. They make what their FANS want, not what some random internet dwellers want lol. I don't care what you think is quality, millions don't think so, so who cares about how much you like SOTC. Wow it truly is sad how much you guys try lol. Let it go, let Sony be Sony and Ninty be Ninty. I think Ninty has it right, those blue lines are the tallest on the front page for a reason. They have a massive fanbase to please, they don't waste time pleasing Sony fans lol. That's Sony's job. ;)

You are on the razor's edge of having a very bad time

There is nothing wrong with wanting to be served in the context of any given platform

Christ, I have a PS3 solely for the Last Guardian. That's not hyperbole; it's a true fact. It would make things so much simpler if the game were coming to the Wii U or the PC. Wanting more games on your platform of choice is not bad.

Are you threatning me? If not then maybe I miss understood. Is that game published by Sony? If so then why would you ask for it to be on the WiiU or PC. Fail. What I'm saying is Ninty doesn't need to waste time making bs for Sony fans, when they aren't even apart of Ninty's fanbase. It's like asking Ninty to change their strategy for a bunch of gamers that may not still buy their platforms. If you actually worked for a gaming company you would realize how stupid this all sounds.



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phenom08 said:
Khuutra said:

You are on the razor's edge of having a very bad time

There is nothing wrong with wanting to be served in the context of any given platform

Christ, I have a PS3 solely for the Last Guardian. That's not hyperbole; it's a true fact. It would make things so much simpler if the game were coming to the Wii U or the PC. Wanting more games on your platform of choice is not bad.

Are you threatning me? If not then maybe I miss understood. Is that game published by Sony? If so then why would you ask for it to be on the WiiU or PC. Fail. What I'm saying is Ninty doesn't need to waste time making bs for Sony fans, when they aren't even apart of Ninty's fanbase. It's like asking Ninty to change their strategy for a bunch of gamers that may not still buy their platforms. If you actually worked for a gaming company you would realize how stupid this all sounds.

So you hold that Nintendo funding Bayonetta 2 is a mistake?



Torillian said:
DaRev said:
Torillian said:
DaRev said:
Torillian said:


Could just be because they thought SotC was one of the most amazing and critically acclaimed unique games they've ever played and think that Nintendo could use another couple games like that.  Or no, it's probably all those things you guys are talking about.  y'know by this logic Nintendo should just go copy Angry Birds since that shits all over NSMB, but that'd be stupid because it wouldn't be the amazing game I assume you guys love to play.  Sales numbers or no there are some games that will be remembered for a really long time as the best that their generation had to offer, and why shouldn't Nintendo get another one of those?  Sure they have tons already, but does one more actually hurt them?  

I know this is a site dedicated to sales, but you guys do know that a game's quality isn't defined by it and you can have an amazing game that doesn't sell millions, right?  Or do you honestly believe everything you say about not bothering to make a game like the one that almost always makes it into top 10's for best games ever?  

I'm sure this all falls on deaf ears, and you'll continue to go on and on about sales while I try and talk about the quality of games. 

So what you trying to say because a game is a franchise multi-instalment hit, that somehow makes it less of a classic than a potential one hit wonder? Listen pal, no matter how many Zelda games, for example, Nintendo makes all of them will be on par and even better than games like SotC. For example, Zelda Wind Waker, why don't you try arguing on this site that this game is any less special or memorable than SotC. Just as much people will love to see another Wind Waker game as much as they will like to see another SotC game.

So while, I agree that sales don't make a good game, try keeping off of Ninty's back, because Nintendo puts infinitely more care and hardwork into each installment of their big first party titles more than any other developer. See the link below about the school or training Ninty put on for making Mario games. That's dedication to perfection regardless of the number of installments in the series.  

http://kotaku.com/5928820/nintendo-ran-a-mario-school-to-teach-people-how-to-make-a-mario-game 

Or maybe, you're arguing than Nintendo has no new IPs, but what you call games like Pikmin, or Nintendogs. Or maybe Nintendo should revive games like Golden Sun or Earthbound?

Nintendo doesn't need to do anything but be Nintendo, no blood, no guts, just great franchise games.

I'm not your pal, friend.

mk, that out of the way.  I'm not arguing any of that crap, jeezus.  I am saying that Nintendo is not perfect, there is no game like SotC made by Nintendo, maybe that's because they don't give a little group like Team Ico total freedom to just screw around and maybe they should give it a shot.  I'm arguing that just because SotC doesn't sell amazing doesn't mean that Nintendo couldn't use a game like it.  

So to recap, I got into this because I'm so tired of people getting defensive the second someone says Nintendo might be able to work on something.  I swear it's like a religion.  The idea that Shigy isn't an infallible god just gets some people in a frenzy and it's terribly annoying to see.  SotC is an amazing game, Nintendo doesn't have a comparable game, maybe they could look into trying to make a team like team ico.  

Listen Pal, you're obviously no friend of mine cause a fiend of mine wouldn't make such a,..errrr *trying to remember the forum rules*,...anyways, such an inacurate statement like:

"SotC is an amazing game, Nintendo doesn't have a comparable game, maybe they could look into trying to make a team like team ico."

So you telling me that SotC is a more amazing game than Super Metroid, or Mario 64, or how about Zelda OoT?

Pal, I could care infinitely less how much SotC sells, just keep your monkey off Nintendo's back. You want to play games like  SotC then go buy a Sony console, and stop trying to change Nintendo. Nintendo is sucessful because they do what they do well, not like Sony, copying other people's ideas every chance they get.


My luck I pick the one person that doesn't recognize the South Park bit.

You really are taking every word I say as poorly as you possibly can.  I'm saying that they don't have a game that I'd call similar and is constantly brought up in the "are games art?" argument, not that they don't have a game as good as it.  And who even argued that Nintendo needed it, just that it's something they don't happen to have and could be better for its inclusion.  

And I didn't even insult Nintendo and you immediately jump on that to try and bring up your console of choice by bringing down mine.  It's like talking to a cult member.  Y'know I'm not a nintendo hater, but I can understand why your friends mentioned in your sig would badmouth Nintendo in your presence if you immediately jump to badmouthing other people's favorite companies.  Shit, you're making me want to just because your attitude is so infuriatingly one-sided and you seem to intentionally misconstrue everything to make it something worth getting defensive about.  Maybe they're not the issue.


South Park is junk, might be funny, but junk none the less.

Now that's out of the way, no to the OP and no to you. See people like you always have a fix for Nintendo like something is wrong with the company, either their systems are to underpowered or the games are too kiddy. Now they should make games like SotC? The answer is no!

Anyways, I take your point, if it is that you're saying any games maker could use an IP like SotC, but maybe you and the Sony faithful shouldn't go around making it seem like anyone, especially Nintendo, is any less of company because it doesn't have a game like SotC or any other game for that matter.



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Torillian said:
DaRev said:
Torillian said:


Could just be because they thought SotC was one of the most amazing and critically acclaimed unique games they've ever played and think that Nintendo could use another couple games like that.  Or no, it's probably all those things you guys are talking about.  y'know by this logic Nintendo should just go copy Angry Birds since that shits all over NSMB, but that'd be stupid because it wouldn't be the amazing game I assume you guys love to play.  Sales numbers or no there are some games that will be remembered for a really long time as the best that their generation had to offer, and why shouldn't Nintendo get another one of those?  Sure they have tons already, but does one more actually hurt them?  

I know this is a site dedicated to sales, but you guys do know that a game's quality isn't defined by it and you can have an amazing game that doesn't sell millions, right?  Or do you honestly believe everything you say about not bothering to make a game like the one that almost always makes it into top 10's for best games ever?  

I'm sure this all falls on deaf ears, and you'll continue to go on and on about sales while I try and talk about the quality of games. 

So what you trying to say because a game is a franchise multi-instalment hit, that somehow makes it less of a classic than a potential one hit wonder? Listen pal, no matter how many Zelda games, for example, Nintendo makes all of them will be on par and even better than games like SotC. For example, Zelda Wind Waker, why don't you try arguing on this site that this game is any less special or memorable than SotC. Just as much people will love to see another Wind Waker game as much as they will like to see another SotC game.

So while, I agree that sales don't make a good game, try keeping off of Ninty's back, because Nintendo puts infinitely more care and hardwork into each installment of their big first party titles more than any other developer. See the link below about the school or training Ninty put on for making Mario games. That's dedication to perfection regardless of the number of installments in the series.  

http://kotaku.com/5928820/nintendo-ran-a-mario-school-to-teach-people-how-to-make-a-mario-game 

Or maybe, you're arguing than Nintendo has no new IPs, but what you call games like Pikmin, or Nintendogs. Or maybe Nintendo should revive games like Golden Sun or Earthbound?

Nintendo doesn't need to do anything but be Nintendo, no blood, no guts, just great franchise games.

I'm not your pal, friend.

mk, that out of the way.  I'm not arguing any of that crap, jeezus.  I am saying that Nintendo is not perfect, there is no game like SotC made by Nintendo, maybe that's because they don't give a little group like Team Ico total freedom to just screw around and maybe they should give it a shot.  I'm arguing that just because SotC doesn't sell amazing doesn't mean that Nintendo couldn't use a game like it.  

So to recap, I got into this because I'm so tired of people getting defensive the second someone says Nintendo might be able to work on something.  I swear it's like a religion.  The idea that Shigy isn't an infallible god just gets some people in a frenzy and it's terribly annoying to see.  SotC is an amazing game, Nintendo doesn't have a comparable game, maybe they could look into trying to make a team like team ico.  

I hope I'm not overstepping my place by inserting myself into this conversation.

I think there is a fundmental disagreement here between two sides. I had the same disagreement with happydolphin earlier in the thread.

One side, I believe, is arguing that Nintendo should invest in studios like Team Ico and games like Shadow of the Colossus.

The other side, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is arguing that it is unnecessary, because Nintendo's games are already as good or better than Colossus.

I think one side is looking at Shadow of the Colossus as a game with some special property that can be emulated.

And one side is looking at Shadow of the Colossus as simply a great game.

So therein lies this stalemate. I think each side is arguing a different point. On one hand, why borrow from Colossus is it's just a great game? Nintendo already has tons of great games. On the other hand, if there is something unique about Colossus' greatness, then that should be borrowed by Nintendo.

I hope what I wrote makes sense.



Veknoid_Outcast said:
Torillian said:
DaRev said:
Torillian said:


Could just be because they thought SotC was one of the most amazing and critically acclaimed unique games they've ever played and think that Nintendo could use another couple games like that.  Or no, it's probably all those things you guys are talking about.  y'know by this logic Nintendo should just go copy Angry Birds since that shits all over NSMB, but that'd be stupid because it wouldn't be the amazing game I assume you guys love to play.  Sales numbers or no there are some games that will be remembered for a really long time as the best that their generation had to offer, and why shouldn't Nintendo get another one of those?  Sure they have tons already, but does one more actually hurt them?  

I know this is a site dedicated to sales, but you guys do know that a game's quality isn't defined by it and you can have an amazing game that doesn't sell millions, right?  Or do you honestly believe everything you say about not bothering to make a game like the one that almost always makes it into top 10's for best games ever?  

I'm sure this all falls on deaf ears, and you'll continue to go on and on about sales while I try and talk about the quality of games. 

So what you trying to say because a game is a franchise multi-instalment hit, that somehow makes it less of a classic than a potential one hit wonder? Listen pal, no matter how many Zelda games, for example, Nintendo makes all of them will be on par and even better than games like SotC. For example, Zelda Wind Waker, why don't you try arguing on this site that this game is any less special or memorable than SotC. Just as much people will love to see another Wind Waker game as much as they will like to see another SotC game.

So while, I agree that sales don't make a good game, try keeping off of Ninty's back, because Nintendo puts infinitely more care and hardwork into each installment of their big first party titles more than any other developer. See the link below about the school or training Ninty put on for making Mario games. That's dedication to perfection regardless of the number of installments in the series.  

http://kotaku.com/5928820/nintendo-ran-a-mario-school-to-teach-people-how-to-make-a-mario-game 

Or maybe, you're arguing than Nintendo has no new IPs, but what you call games like Pikmin, or Nintendogs. Or maybe Nintendo should revive games like Golden Sun or Earthbound?

Nintendo doesn't need to do anything but be Nintendo, no blood, no guts, just great franchise games.

I'm not your pal, friend.

mk, that out of the way.  I'm not arguing any of that crap, jeezus.  I am saying that Nintendo is not perfect, there is no game like SotC made by Nintendo, maybe that's because they don't give a little group like Team Ico total freedom to just screw around and maybe they should give it a shot.  I'm arguing that just because SotC doesn't sell amazing doesn't mean that Nintendo couldn't use a game like it.  

So to recap, I got into this because I'm so tired of people getting defensive the second someone says Nintendo might be able to work on something.  I swear it's like a religion.  The idea that Shigy isn't an infallible god just gets some people in a frenzy and it's terribly annoying to see.  SotC is an amazing game, Nintendo doesn't have a comparable game, maybe they could look into trying to make a team like team ico.  

I hope I'm not overstepping my place by inserting myself into this conversation.

I think there is a fundmental disagreement here between two sides. I had the same disagreement with happydolphin earlier in the thread.

One side, I believe, is arguing that Nintendo should invest in studios like Team Ico and games like Shadow of the Colossus.

The other side, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is arguing that it is unnecessary, because Nintendo's games are already as good or better than Colossus.

I think one side is looking at Shadow of the Colossus as a game with some special property that can be emulated.

And one side is looking at Shadow of the Colossus as simply a great game.

So therein lies this stalemate. I think each side is arguing a different point. On one hand, why borrow from Colossus is it's just a great game? Nintendo already has tons of great games. On the other hand, if there is something unique about Colossus' greatness, then that should be borrowed by Nintendo.

I hope what I wrote makes sense.


Yeah makes sense. See the problem is where to these people stop, i.e. is SotC the only game Nintendo should be looking to emulate?



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I love My Wii U, and the potential it brings to gaming.

DaRev said:

Yeah makes sense. See the problem is where to these people stop, i.e. is SotC the only game Nintendo should be looking to emulate?

There are a series of demands that the gaming population has made towards Nintendo, be it either with their dollar, or with their posts online, or via petition.

A few of these have been heard by Nintendo:

1) A good online infrastructure. (Nintendo Network)

2) A reasonable HW interface and brand image. (Wii after gamecube's lunchbox look)

3) A traditional controller (the WiiU Pad pro).

4) Core games (3rd party: Bayonetta 2, ZombiU)

5) Multiplats (AC3, ME3, BO2,...)

6) Excellent multi-media capabilities (Netflix on Wii, TVii, ...)

So, now that the community has complained for the Nintendo fans that prefer not to complain, your question is when do we stop?

When the last pieces of the puzzle are missing:

A) Core 1st party games of TOP excellence (get inspiration from SotC, Uncharted, Gran Turismo, with business smarts at first)

B) Cater to the segment that likes games in A.

With that, Nintendo should be almost complete.