Wow so much fail here, its like you were being sarcastic. Ninty should learn how to advertise from Sony lol. That's percisely why not a single Sony game has even crossed 8 million, what great advertising lol. Or how about the PS3 being a whopping 30 million units behind. Do I even need to mention the Vita? What fantastic advertising. Then you go on to talk about Sony's cultural influence, what relevance does the Playstation brand have today? Or Sony for that matter? I guessed they have influenced every other company on how not to do business or you will end up losing in all of them. For your last point "but not what it takes to make 150M", DS says hello lol.

I like Sony's recent consoles more than Nintendo's, but 1st party wise there's no comparison. Nintendo clearly has the best 1st party support, Team Ico is the only Sony team I feel comes close and I do think it's worth copying them definitely.

I don't like watching my video games I like playing my video games which why I like Nintendo over Sony time and time again.

Plus Sony is so close to Microsoft I don't want another console that's the same.

Nintendo should do Nintendo not Sony as Sony doesn't appeal to me at all.

Zelda is for kids? Well look at games God of War and Uncharted there  not the most challenging or mature if you actual at mature not trying to pretend to be.

with the main difference being there is a ton of things Nintendo doesnt do that Sony, does while theres next to nothing Nintendo does that Sony doesn't, perfence doenst have anything to do with that

as for OP, it's the only reason I dont care about Nintendo 

I'd just wish you would not participate in the thread sometimes. You have no idea what you're talking about. The sales performance of the Playstation in the past years is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about brand perception, and despite the big mistakes Sony made this gen, it is still WAY better than Nintendo (the previous market Goliath) did with the Gamecube. Even the Wii had difficulty achieving what the PS2 did. So yes, Nintendo still has a long way to go.

So lol to you bro, a big fat fucking lol right in your phenom face. Enjoy every surface of it, because I'm going to rub it long and hard all over you.

Have you actually played SotC? No? Then please do everyone here a favor and put a sock in it.

No...technically Sony is for everyone. Theres mature games, sports, casual, platform and all under one brand. No other brand has been that comprehensive since Sega. Like it or not Mario is a casual platformer, Zelda and Metroid are the true standout titles when taking a step up, which is why they dont sell as much as Mario (outside of bundles). Nintendo is commercially more of a family friendly brand. Sony console are generally purchased by teen males to age 40 which means people upgraded to Sony. All Sony needs to do is get a commercial hit of a title and theres always next gen.

I don't think anyone would argue that the N64, GCN, and Wii had a deeper and wider assortment of games than their Sony counterparts. Clearly the three generations of Playstation systems have the bigger library.

I also agree with your points in terms of branding. Nintendo is a family-friendly brand. Sony is more of an adult-oriented brand.

But I disagree with the premise that Mario is a "casual" game, and that Metroid and Zelda are the only Nintendo IPs that stray into "hardcore" territory.

In fact, I disagree with your entire conceptualization of "casual" and "hardcore." For me, there are no casual and hardcore games. It's a complete misnomer. A video game fan could buy a so-called hardcore title like Halo or Call of Duty and play multiplayer once a week with a few friends, and completely ignore the single-player campaign. Or a fan could play a so-called casual title like Mario for hours in a single sitting trying to find every hidden coin and secret world.

There are only casual and hardcore gamers, not games. And even those terms are counter-productive and divisive. The point is this: if you are a real "hardcore gamer" you'll play any and every game you can get your hands on, regardless of sex, blood, gore, and other adult content.

There is a difference between  a casual and a hardcore gamer. Super Mario is a pick up and play game that doesnt involve control scheme difficulty but rather the difficulty is based on the course you are to walk through. Depending on the difficulty you choose is the level at which you will play. Easy is generally the casual setting. Most games now have a casual setting because casuals in most cases just want an experience and not an overcomplicated challenge. They want a slight challenge if one at all. A hardcore gamer will play mario to death on the hardest setting finding the ins and outs of the game. Mario was not created to attract hardcore gamers, but I am sure there are setting the core gamer can set to play a harder setting. Mario attracts mostly women/children and alot of people grew up with it. What game do you think my mother thought was the only acceptable game to buy for me with the Nintendo when I was really young? Mario. Would she have bought me any of the Sony exclusives? Hell no, unless it was Crash or Spyro. The only chracters my mother knew about were Mario, Donkey Kong and Sonic the Hedgehog. I dont disagree that a hardcore gamer will play any game at all, theres no doubt about that, but hardcore gamers are more defined by the way they play games rather than just their voice in variety. If they are passionate gamers variety is a given. Theres a reason Nintendo is after the PS3/360 crowd and its because they offer something Nintendo doesn't in their games. Even after selling nearly 100 million consoles they still lacked a proper core fanbase. They could sell their third party core titles for anything.

There is a difference between  a casual and a hardcore gamer. Super Mario is a pick up and play game that doesnt involve control scheme difficulty but rather the difficulty is based on the course you are to walk through. Depending on the difficulty you choose is the level at which you will play. Easy is generally the casual setting. Most games now have a casual setting because casuals in most cases just want an experience and not an overcomplicated challenge. They want a slight challenge if one at all. A hardcore gamer will play mario to death on the hardest setting finding the ins and outs of the game. Mario was not created to attract hardcore gamers, but I am sure there are setting the core gamer can set to play a harder setting. Mario attracts mostly women/children and alot of people grew up with it. What game do you think my mother thought was the only acceptable game to buy for me with the Nintendo when I was really young? Mario. Would she have bought me any of the Sony exclusives? Hell no, unless it was Crash or Spyro. The only chracters my mother knew about were Mario, Donkey Kong and Sonic the Hedgehog. I dont disagree that a hardcore gamer will play any game at all, theres no doubt about that, but hardcore gamers are more defined by the way they play games rather than just their voice in variety. If they are passionate gamers variety is a given. Theres a reason Nintendo is after the PS3/360 crowd and its because they offer something Nintendo doesn't in their games. Even after selling nearly 100 million consoles they still lacked a proper core fanbase. They could sell their third party core titles for anything.

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But don't you think you're sliding dangerously into elitism with these definitions? Control scheme difficulty seems like an arbitrary criterion for "hardcore." As does an audience made up of women and children for "casual."

It seems like your definition of hardcore gamer is one who plays serious games in a serious way. I guess my definition of a hardcore gamer is one who knows the industry, plays all the games, can write and speak about video games with authority, and makes video games his or her hobby. Casual video gamers are those who enjoy playing games, but know less about who made the game, less about genres and sub-genres, spend less money and energy looking for and buying games.

But I don't think someone who elects "normal" over "hard" difficulty is precluded from the hardcore community. Video game investment is not the same as video game skill.