I'll admit you got me there. There are very few games made first for PCs. I've just been wrapped up in BF3 and DotA 2 recently. 

PC is far from the master race of gaming, they are sorta like England during the American revolution, dead super power.

nah I don't care if they go 3rd party. its not like I will be happy about it, its just Sony and their fans need to think long term rather than a few years in! 


I assure you that my predictions are way more accurate than anything that idiot says!

The PS3 was expensive not because it used a GPU from 2006, but because it used a blu-ray drive and CELL processor. If the PS3 used a similar CPU to the 360 and DVD drive it would of been just as powerful and $200 cheaper. I actually don't even need to speculate here, just look at the Xbox 360. If anything it's only marginally less powerful than the PS3, but it launched at $300-400 a year earlier.

Yes, but both consoles took heavy losses at their respective launch price.  While Microsoft can do this again, Sony just doesn't have the financials this time around to absorb that much loss per console.  Sony is looking to make the Game division profitable to help save the company.  Yes, it is that bad.  The only way Sony is putting these chips in their console is if its a 500 dollar launch with a very small loss or breaking even.

EDIT: If they do put these chips in and launch at 400 dollars with a 100 dollar loss, it will be the last generation Sony participates in.

I highly doubt that, but I've had this discussion a thousand times now, as you know xD

So I'll just leave it at that.

if they would sell the console with $100 loss first, they could sell it without loss not so much later and with all the royalties/psn+ and everything else i think it could be a profitable gen for sony. what did they lose with ps3 first? $300 or something? now imagine $200 loss less per console for the first millions of consoles. with $100 loss first they could sell the console for a profit after a while which they couldn't so fast with ps3 and i think those profitable sales would bring back the losses of the first sales and the console alone would be at least lossless when we would get a ps5 (who know if we will even get that with all the streaming stuff and so on in 2020 or so)

sure we have no clue how much consoles sony will sell next gen and yeah, in reality we know almost nothing but i don't believe $100 loss would be as bad as you might think.

You guys are very ignorant.

Of course the next gen GPUs will be based on the next gen GPU makers technology.

It doesn't mean you will get those specs by any means at all - quite the opposite.

Top end GPUs for the PC now cost around £400+ at release back when the 360 and PS3 were out the top end were £300 and even then the 360 and PS3 didn't get the top end version of those GPUs specs.

You will not be getting £400 GPU in your next gen console. You will be getting a cut down version of a £400 GPU instead.

Good fucking luck if you think next gen consoles will have the specs listed here, or even close.

I mean FFS you do realise that of the current nvidia lineup for example and ATIAMD for that matter, they have a whole line of products ALL BASED ON THE CURRENT MANUFACTURING PROCESS.

Absolute morons, seriously.

Take for example, there's top end cards from 2-3 generations ago that outperform the lowest end products on the current lineup BASED ON CURRENT MANUFACTURING PROCESS.

Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

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we don't talk about the top end cards here nor about 400 pound cards (you read op?), the top end cards did cost more than 300 back then (edit: ok pound was strong then maybe it was really so much less as the euro price) and...what?

a 100 dollar loss on 10 million consoles is 1 billion dollars.  With a B.  How much is a PS plus subscription?  50 bucks a year.  So lets say half of the 10 million get PS+ (which I think is a generous number), thats 250 million dollars.  So we're still in the hole by 750 million dollars.  Lets say each console gets 2 games at say 10 dollars profit (from licensing) each in the first year (on average), thats another 200 million dollars.  So you're still in the hole in the first year by 550 million dollars.  How much cash does Sony have?  They are rated at a 14 billion dollar market cap, with already 6.4 billion in losses per year (as of April).  If my estimates above are true, and all else is equal, then Sony as a corporation will be bankrupt in 2 more years.

Given the above, they have to sell PS4 at cost or at a slight profit.  Look for a 500+ dollar console, or a console on par with WiiU.