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theprof00 said:

5 It's not a slip. It was carefully calculated. As proof of which, I am a shadowling with no name. I called happy on a claim which I perceived as 'shadowling Selyan'. He refers to himself as a shadowling, and calls himself shadowling. On my left hand, I have me, shadowling no name, and on my right hand I have shadowling with a name. The two don't make sense together. I challenge happy, and guess what? He's not a shadowling. Thereby proving my logic that a shadowling cannot have a name. It's simple really. Please explain to me how that was a slip.

This has been proven to be bs here -> http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4789916



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happydolphin said:
theprof00 said:

He cannot answer that it is or it isn't a contradiction because he has no way of knowing about shadowlings with or without names. He just said that he used the word erringly as just a blanket term for 'shadow people'. However, someone like myself, who IS called a shadowling, picked up on it, and looked to see if anyone else used the word. There were three instances. Smeags, you, and trucks, though in Trucks' case, he never uses the word shadowling, but "underling", which I felt was similar enough. I also left him out of the examples, but now seeing him come in and specifically ask about shadowlings is, to me, confirming that I read him correctly.

It's bs.

You called yourself a shadowling, smeags used the word before you. Smeags claimed a name. Then you did too. I am a shadowling and I don't have a name. Therefore, you cannot be a shadowling and have a name. That is called logic.

That was your logic, nothing about some secluded information we didn't know about, only what you wrote was your logic. Otherwise, hidden information is not considered logic, it's considered hidden information.

THAT is called logic.

Please don't start saying things that you'll regret like "that's bs" or "that is called logic" because I am prepared to shut you down and I hope you are open-minded enough to realize your failure. I also said ask me questions *without* accusing as it will just make the whole discussion more complex than it needs to be as I will have to retort, like I just did. This is three sentences needlessly written because you can't simply ask the questions.

Now, to the question(s):

Hmm, there wasn't any question...

Are you confused about how the logic works? Feel free to ask questions about HOW it works. Right now you're just quoting things and saying it's BS. How am I supposed to explain something to you if I don't see what's wrong?



theprof00 said:

Please don't start saying things that you'll regret like "that's bs" or "that is called logic" because I am prepared to shut you down and I hope you are open-minded enough to realize your failure. I also said ask me questions *without* accusing as it will just make the whole discussion more complex than it needs to be as I will have to retort, like I just did. This is three sentences needlessly written because you can't simply ask the questions.

Now, to the question(s):

Hmm, there wasn't any question...

Are you confused about how the logic works? Feel free to ask questions about HOW it works. Right now you're just quoting things and saying it's BS. How am I supposed to explain something to you if I don't see what's wrong?

No, I'm not confused, and nobody with a brain should be either. You logic was laid out flat with no mention of secluded logic, it stands on its own, and it fails.

Period.



happydolphin said:
theprof00 said:

5 It's not a slip. It was carefully calculated. As proof of which, I am a shadowling with no name. I called happy on a claim which I perceived as 'shadowling Selyan'. He refers to himself as a shadowling, and calls himself shadowling. On my left hand, I have me, shadowling no name, and on my right hand I have shadowling with a name. The two don't make sense together. I challenge happy, and guess what? He's not a shadowling. Thereby proving my logic that a shadowling cannot have a name. It's simple really. Please explain to me how that was a slip.

This has been proven to be bs here -> http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4789916

I don't understand how you can use words like "proven" when you didn't prove a single thing. Saying "this is bs" without explaining how it's bs does not "prove" anything. You wrote something random about how hidden information isn't logic, but I frankly don't know what you're saying. Hidden information is not logic, as evidenced by what?



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radishhead said:
Wasn't there a previous round where we had some members of a faction that had a name and others that didn't? I can't remember

Trying to open escape doors for trapped scum to slip through, are we?



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happydolphin said:
theprof00 said:

Please don't start saying things that you'll regret like "that's bs" or "that is called logic" because I am prepared to shut you down and I hope you are open-minded enough to realize your failure. I also said ask me questions *without* accusing as it will just make the whole discussion more complex than it needs to be as I will have to retort, like I just did. This is three sentences needlessly written because you can't simply ask the questions.

Now, to the question(s):

Hmm, there wasn't any question...

Are you confused about how the logic works? Feel free to ask questions about HOW it works. Right now you're just quoting things and saying it's BS. How am I supposed to explain something to you if I don't see what's wrong?

No, I'm not confused, and nobody with a brain should be either. You logic was laid out flat with no mention of secluded logic, it stands on its own, and it fails.

Period.

Why can't you explain what is wrong about the logic?

You're only saying that it fails, but my one failure is understanding how it supposedly fails.



TruckOSaurus said:
radishhead said:
Wasn't there a previous round where we had some members of a faction that had a name and others that didn't? I can't remember

Trying to open escape doors for trapped scum to slip through, are we?

As opposed to linkz, I didn't like radish immediately. Feel free to continue pressing him.



TruckOSaurus said:
radishhead said:
Wasn't there a previous round where we had some members of a faction that had a name and others that didn't? I can't remember

Trying to open escape doors for trapped scum to slip through, are we?

No, I just don't see why scum wouldn't be given a name, whereas town would? Stefl wouldn't make it impossible for the mafia to fakeclaim



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radishhead said:
TruckOSaurus said:
radishhead said:
Wasn't there a previous round where we had some members of a faction that had a name and others that didn't? I can't remember

Trying to open escape doors for trapped scum to slip through, are we?

No, I just don't see why scum wouldn't be given a name, whereas town would? Stefl wouldn't make it impossible for the mafia to fakeclaim

You haven't been following at all. Having a name doesn't have anything to do with alignment but from what I gathered up until now, humans have names and shadowlings don't.



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