babuks said:
You got your answer. |
I don't support defamation laws.
babuks said:
You got your answer. |
I don't support defamation laws.
spurgeonryan said:
Off topic:
How long before America makes 9/11 a National Holiday? |
Isn't it pretty much one already?
the2real4mafol said:
Wow 57c (134f) is bloody hot! But, I think America provoked this recent muslim insurgency across the middle east (protests were not just in Libya, but Egypt, Iran and Lebanon too), that film, was incredibly offensive. I am atheist and I found it offensive! It's no wonder we are seeing scenes where American ambassadors and flags are being destroyed. I'm sure there would be similar outrage, if a movie was made depicting America or Christianity in this way.
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Movies about Christianity and America are made about that like.... every couple months...
babuks said:
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Then it's not freedom...
If you don't protect someones right to say something stupid.
You aren't protecting rights or freedom.
The right to offend is one of the most important rights a society needs to protect.
babuks said:
You got your answer. |
Defamation laws have nothing to do with being offensive.
Kasz216 said:
Defamation laws have nothing to do with being offensive. |
That analogy was made to show that 'freedom' is not absolute. It depends on many things and most importantly, it is for the good of the people, not the opposite.
Kasz216 said:
Well he did basically say "See Obama fucked up!" right after an important US official died. At best what he did was a pretty crass mistake. Shoud of gave it two days at least. |
For Romney's part I don't think waiting two days was really necessary. Its 2 months before a US Presidential election. I think there are a lot of things that he should be able to speak about considering that people want to know where he stands on all issues. Now making a statement the same night it was learned that a US diplomat may have been killed may have been a bit soon.
never the less he was making his disagreement known about the statement released from the US embassy in Cairo. The embassy stood by its statements for most of the day through tweets. shortly after 8 PM Jake Tapper had tweeted that the Secretary of state said a US diplomat had been killed. shortly after that Hillary Clinton tweeted an affirmation of the Embassies statement ("The U.S. deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others." ). Around 10 PM the Romney campaign apparently released its statement but put an embargo on it to not be released until after midnight. Just a few short minutes of him releasing an embargoed statement to the media the White House released a statement saying it did not approve of the statement released by the Embassy therefore contradicting the State Department and Hillary Clinton.
Only a matter of minutes after the White House stated that it disagreed with the Embassy and Clinton, Romneys statement was then Prematurely lifted and there fore was released to the public. It said:
"I'm outraged by the attacks on American diplomatic missions in Libya and Egypt and by the death of an American consulate worker in Benghazi. It's disgraceful that the Obama administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks."
That statement was in response to the Embassy statement, and of the State Department apparently accepting it. Later that night after midnight an Obama Campaign spokesman accused Romney of launching a political attack on the day of a US diplomat's death. it was later that monring around 6 AM that it was made official that the US ambassador to Libya along with 3 other Americans were killed.
In light of all that Romney may have been a bit premature, but still I think he was fine to make a statement regarding his disagreement on the stances of the Embassy and State Department for most of that day. Later on Tuesday Romney commended the White House for disagreeing with the Embassy statement. I just don't see why Romney's response was all that bad and that it deserved so much negative media attention.
Here is a Timeline of the Events of the two days:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765603612/Rough-timeline-shows-sequence-of-events-in-Egypt-and-Libya-on-Sept-11-12-2012.html?pg=1
Kasz216 said:
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Oh well then, but from the sound of it, this recent muslim insurgency seems like it could of been avoided, if it were never released on the internet. It's pretty stupid that religion is taken so seriously, everywhere.
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babuks said:
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A) That's now why defamation laws exist.
B) Being offended IS good for the people. To be routinley offended about anything and everything and being forced to get used to it teaches people critical thinking skills.
There won't be a war as the protests are simmering down. Besides, the majority of the citizens in those nations are pro-american. However, if there were to be a war, it wouldn't be a war that heavily depended on the states. Britain, Switzerland, and Germany embassies have also been attacked. And a little off topic comment : Pretty big protest in Russia against Putin and a even bigger protest in China that wants to go to war against Japan. Remember that we are allies with Japan so.....2012.