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superchunk said:
Jay520 said:
Your prediction about the PSV being phased out in a few years rests on the premise that the Vita's success requires it to be the most powerful device available. I'm not if that's the case for the Vita.

Yeah, this holiday will give show if I'm right or not on Vita's short life. If they sale great, I'm probably wrong, if they sale far less than anything else...well yeah.


Even if it does get phased out, it could simply be the result of not having appealing games. If it doesn't have appealing games, then it would be phased out regardless of how strong the hardware is. I don't think we can be certain of whether the weak hardware was a significant cause to the hardware's demise. Even if it did have strong hardware, it would still fail if the games weren't there. 

So you could be correct, but not for the right reasons imo



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superchunk said:
Faxanadu said:
not counting the contract cost is kinda silly.


Are you not going to have a phone? Contract cost is meaningless.

yes we all have a phone, what does this have to do with the difference between contract costs for an iphone and for the same contract with another phone or even the purchase of a cheap phone without contract and other payment method which would make it hundreds of dollars cheaper per year?

no clue how it is in usa but here in germany and i would say in most other countries, if i choose a phone for my contract which would cost "only" 200€ without contract instead of 600€ for the iphone, i can get both for the same price with contract but have to pay less monthly rates and after 2 years i have paid 400€ or so less which means yes, you have to count contract costs, at least those you have to pay more to get the iphone for $199 instead of another phone.

or do you have to pay the same monthly rate in usa for a phone which would cost only $50 without contract? here in germany monthly rates for that phone would be way lower than the monthly costs for the iphone contract. so i have to count at least the difference between the contract for the cheap phone and the iphone and after 2 years i would easily pay 500€ more.



superchunk said:
Shinobi-san said:
Low blow superchunk...cherry picking one liners (make that one line) from our months of conversations and debates around this topic and then making as if you were right all along about eveything said is ridiculous especially when you were wrong with most of the stuff you said. You know what my opinions were on the matter.

I actually remember clearly stating that chances are there will be one or two phones equaling the PSV this year ( i even went on and mentioned the S3 and iphone 5) you actually then replied and said no ways the iphone 5 will be more powerfull...you said apple are usually behind android manufacturers and went on to quote some shit about the tec to be inside the S3 turns out the s3 was pretty mediocre. Which i called you out on in yet another one these threads...and somehow you made as if you were right again?

And by the way this whole topic started when you were saying the PSV was obsolete 5 months ago and how amazingly stronger the then released/announced smartphones at MVC were...i called you out on your bullshit again and typical superchunk style you change your argument over the months similar to what you did with your next gen consoles predictions then make threads about how you were right.

But whatever you the kinda poster than pretty much ignores responses and just continues saying the same old shit EVERY SINGLE TIME even if you are wrong.

I also said "make sure you are right before you post a thread saying that i was wrong", clearly you didnt listen not that i expected you too

Ummm what are you going on about?

I qouted the one line that surmised your main arguement against me. We were discussing wether or not Vita would be matched or exceeded this year. I was saying yes with CPU/GPU launch time frames and you said no. Pretty straight forward.

Here's the thread we discussed this whole thing, it was the original comparison with iPad3.
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=140964

Here's the specific post I pulled your qoute with a nice quote tree. You clearly are wrong and I was right. We were discussing the next series of chips releasing and you said they were not coming out this year, I said they were and I said Vita's chips would be in phones in 3 to 6 months and I actually expected chips like the A15 to be in the last few months of the year but, Apple obviously did it sooner.
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4463869

In fact here is a direct quote from me that while wrong on the CPU core, is right overall. (I expected it to tie Vita not surpass with A15s)
"iPhone 5 won't have the A5X chip. It will have an A6 chip that will be essentially identical to what Vita has. It will have the same 1GB RAM as this iPad as well as a new form factor and some new enhanced OS features. That's Apple's standard yearly changes and you should expect no different."
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4460746

Here is a post where you specifically state Vita wont' be surpassed until 2014!
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4460461

Just admit it. I'm right and you ignored the signs. :P (all posts from same thread)

WTF. Are you serious superchunk??? read the dammn threads man!

You said this in that thread (this is what started everything):

"My point isn't that the new iPad is a games console, just that these devices are already passing Vita and by end of this year will be superior in all technical ways (less controls of course)."

This was 5 months ago, at the time there was no phone out that was equal to vita !!!!! Yet you kept on you mentioning phones being shown off at MWC...most of the devices released/announced/rumoured then had tegra 3 or s4 chips. Both of which were not better than the VITA i even had to explain to you how tegra 3 was kinda shitty! Only after i told you that you then changed your argument .

In that SAME THREAD i said this:

"Im pretty sure though, that by the end of this year/beginning of next...most tablets and smartphones will be on par with vita and beginning to surpass it."

Pretty much spot on. I even went and highlighted the s3 and iphone (I guessed the correct spec of the S3 by the way you were waaaaay off, yet you still made a thread about how you were right back then!!!) you are deluded man.

After a hell of a lot of said and explained to YOU since you knew nothing about what you were talking about (if you did you would not have said phones been shown off at MWC were stronger than VITA), i then said what my main point was in the S3 comparison thread:

"Im not saying the PSV is waaaay ahead of the rest, but what im saying is that it is ahead at the moment (especially in terms of gaming performance), im also saying that in the next year the PSV's chipset will stil be relevant, id imagine quad core cpu/gpu combinations will only become the norm then."

And since you started the doucebaggery, you then went on to say this:

"Vita's chips are what all the next phones/tablets will have THIS year. In the next 3 to 6 months." <----(by the way this is you changing your argument from NOW to 3 - 6months.)

You also said ALL phones and tablets? HA. Bullshit. WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. It is bullshit and its exactly what i called you out on:

"Thats where i call total bullshit. NO phone/tablet thats currently announced or even rumoured to be announced, releasing in 3 - 6 months will have the power of the PSV especially not tegra 3 or S4 devices!"

To top it all off there was no rumour about iphone 5 specs at the time if i remember correctly...and when i said this WE BOTH KNOW we were talking about the phones been announced at MWC that fucken week. YOU ARE A ****.



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Jay520 said:
superchunk said:
Jay520 said:
Your prediction about the PSV being phased out in a few years rests on the premise that the Vita's success requires it to be the most powerful device available. I'm not if that's the case for the Vita.

Yeah, this holiday will give show if I'm right or not on Vita's short life. If they sale great, I'm probably wrong, if they sale far less than anything else...well yeah.


Even if it does get phased out, it could simply be the result of not having appealing games. If it doesn't have appealing games, then it would be phased out regardless of how strong the hardware is. I don't think we can be certain of whether the weak hardware was a significant cause to the hardware's demise. Even if it did have strong hardware, it would still fail if the games weren't there. 

So you could be correct, but not for the right reasons imo

I don't think its hardware is weak. Just that Sony's business model for it was bad, which is why I've maintained it should have been a smartphone. Sony's target audience largly won't buy a smartphone AND a dedicated handheld that besides core gaming, has less features.

Nintendo can do that because their handhelds target a younger market by default. One that will not have smartphones, but would like games and other 'smart' features.

So, Sony needs to either directly compete with Nitnendo (which it doesn't have the 1st party to do so) or directly compete with smartphones (which it already has the competency to do so). Of course it should still be based on a dedicated game console (i.e. controls and games) but also be a full smartphone.



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Like some on this thread, I don't think comparing a phone to a handheld gaming device is a good idea. comparing their sales is not too. Apple is on its peak now while Sony has declined in brand name quite a bit.

My point is, yes you can compare hardwares as they both are mobile devices, but don't go further. Leave them for their distinct markets.



crissindahouse said:
superchunk said:
Faxanadu said:
not counting the contract cost is kinda silly.


Are you not going to have a phone? Contract cost is meaningless.

yes we all have a phone, what does this have to do with the difference between contract costs for an iphone and for the same contract with another phone or even the purchase of a cheap phone without contract and other payment method which would make it hundreds of dollars cheaper per year?

no clue how it is in usa but here in germany and i would say in most other countries, if i choose a phone for my contract which would cost "only" 200€ without contract instead of 600€ for the iphone, i can get both for the same price with contract but have to pay less monthly rates and after 2 years i have paid 400€ or so less which means yes, you have to count contract costs, at least those you have to pay more to get the iphone for $199 instead of another phone.

or do you have to pay the same monthly rate in usa for a phone which would cost only $50 without contract? here in germany monthly rates for that phone would be way lower than the monthly costs for the iphone contract. so i have to count at least the difference between the contract for the cheap phone and the iphone and after 2 years i would easily pay 500€ more.

In US cell rates do not change with phone or price of phone.

Just if you are or are not on a contract. If you leave the contract you pay $350 penalty. So almost all new phones cost $199 and older ones are $149 or less etc.



superchunk said:

I don't think its hardware is weak. Just that Sony's business model for it was bad, which is why I've maintained it should have been a smartphone. Sony's target audience largly won't buy a smartphone AND a dedicated handheld that besides core gaming, has less features.

Nintendo can do that because their handhelds target a younger market by default. One that will not have smartphones, but would like games and other 'smart' features.

So, Sony needs to either directly compete with Nitnendo (which it doesn't have the 1st party to do so) or directly compete with smartphones (which it already has the competency to do so). Of course it should still be based on a dedicated game console (i.e. controls and games) but also be a full smartphone.


Good points

Though I personally can't imagine a Playstation phone being successful. How would that even be shaped and formed?

I think the model they're trying to accomplish is better than the smart phone model. 

To be honest though, I don't thin



Although the vita is one of sony's best products imo, I'm glad apple matched the vita's specs if not surpassed them with the next iphone.. Sony need to be dick slapped pretty hard



 

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disolitude said:
At this rate Iphone 6 should be able to beat high end PC gaming in 2 years.

I can't wait for portable 3 screen Crysis 4 on the go using my 3 Iphone 6's is eyefinity.

Not sure if serious.