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Chandler said:
superchunk said:
Chandler said:
But it's not a 200$ phone.


Its not?

Who the hell buys a phone off contract?


Yes, it's not. A huge chunk of the contract is to pay off the phone. Calculations like this make people get into crazy high depts because they onls think about the initial cost and forget about the huge tail.

People who don't want to be tied by a contract, who don't want operator-modified rom, especially when you work abroad and you can't tell where you'll be tomorrow. 

Also I had the surprise, at my first smartphone, to find out some function had been deactivated by operator's rom. And for me it's much cheaper that way, finding cheap pay as u go SIM in different country that you can swap....

My two cents !

 



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The cheapest ps-vita costs 270 euro and the cheapest iPhone 4s costs 670 euro

I believe that iphone 5 will cost around 750euro

failed comparison IMO

 

ps: I talking about sim-free phones..no contract



I dont get the comparison, am I missing something?

I have an Iphone 4S and a PSVita. On one device, I make phone calls, text and get weather forecasts and finding spots when I travel. The other device I use for playing video games. Can anyone guess which one is used for what purpose?



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kowenicki said:
kowenicki said:
10 year plan.


As I was saying before I was rudely interrupted by oversenstive people that cant read between the lines and feel that I offended their sensibilities....

The OP is making a very valid point imo.  Any dedicated handheld device wil have a problem with exponentially increasing hardware specs of mobile phones that are re-iterated every year.  The PSVita especially is at risk here, it will appear very weak in 3 years... very, very weak.

 

 

(1st ban in over 18 months for that. wow!)

 

 

I see you are concerned about PSVita. Dont worry though something will come up it will be saved. Have faith



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Chark said:


Anyway, thanks for posting the specs. Just one concern, how is the battery life expected to be? Does that A15 take a lot of juice? Will the 2000mAh be enough to make it functional? The Vita has borderline issues with battery life with the 2200mAh, for a phone to have around the same issue... disastrous. You mention it could have better battery life than iPhone 4s (which was disappointing wasn't it?), I want to know how so? To really get the use out of the device you'd have to enjoy high demand programs, is the iPhone 5 looking like a short lived gaming device? I'm sure running idle it lasts all day or more, but what if I play a few hours of the latest graphics pusher? Also, is there and advantage or disadvantage to a dual core?

The A15 is more powerful and it most likely has higher clock speeds than the A9 in the 4S, but it is most likely being made on the 32nm process (instead of the 45nm like on the 4S), so it is 22% smaller and uses less power.

LTE does use more power which is why Apple waited so long to implement LTE. Qualcomm's 28nm LTE chip reduced the size and power usage for LTE usage. Previous LTE chips were larger used more power.

According to the Apple website battery life is:

iPhone 5                                                                                 iPhone 4S                                                                    iPhone 4

Talk time:
Up to 8 hours on 3G

Browsing time:
Up to 8 hours on LTE
Up to 8 hours on 3G
Up to 10 hours on Wi-Fi

Standby time:
Up to 225 hours

Talk time:
Up to 8 hours on 3G

Browsing time:
-
Up to 6 hours on 3G
Up to 9 hours on Wi-Fi

Standby time:
Up to 200 hours

Talk time:
Up to 7 hours on 3G

Browsing time:
-
Up to 6 hours on 3G
Up to 10 hours on Wi-Fi

Standby time:
Up to 300 hours




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superchunk said:
Shinobi-san said:

You are doing it again Superchunk.

I remember the conversation perfectly well.

Your main point of that initial thread was to prove that Vita was made obsolete by the then announced/available smartphones, you particularly brought up MWC phones being showed off as it happend at that exact point in time. I then showed you and PROVED YOU WRONG IN THAT thread that this was not the case.

I (as in me!!!!!) pointed out to you that possible exceptions would be the iphone 5 and samsung galaxy s3. You basically went with an extreme opinion saying no the iphone wont be as powerful as the android phones, and that ALL phones/tablets released this year will have the vita tec or surpass it. AGAIN you were wrong.

In reply to that extreme statement i made an extreme one of my own saying "no smartphone/tablet will surpass vita in the next 3 - 6 months". I guess i was partially wrong about the NO part, but yet we both KNOW that i had singled out the iphone 5 and S3 as a possible phones to surpass it. Which in iphones case is true. You on the other hand stated the very opposit saying no iphone 5 wont, but ALL smartphones and tablets will surpass the vita. Ya this is still bullshit superchunk. GET THE FUCK OVER IT.

Bolded is 100% false and proven by just rereading the quotes I summarized above. This must be where you are getting so wrong in this whole thing.

My only statements were that iPad3 and the stuff back then at MWC as well as launch details from CPU/GPU manufacturers showed that:
1) Vita would be matched within 6 mos (from March)
2) Vita would be matched and exceeded by end of year (2012)
3) Vita would be greatly exceeded in 2013

I never said, in March, that Vita was being surpassed or even matched at that time by anything currently in the market or launching right then (i.e. iPAd3)... hell even the summation right in the OP of that thread clearly shows that I never said iPad3 or anything else already known beat/matched Vita... just that FUTURE (from March) phones/tablets would within the dates I just mentioned above. Hell, the last two quotes show that we both were waiting to see how it all ends in the end of the year. Clearly we weren't talking about phones/tablets on the market right then. I mean why the hell would I even bring up the 3 to 6 months thing if I was talking about product that was available in March?

I never said ALL phones released this year would match/surpass Vita. I said exactly what is detailed in 1,2,3 above... it would be matched in 3 to 6, most match or exceed by end of 2012, and soundly exceed in 2013. Dude, calm down and just reread the quotes... its all there. 

You also quoted me every time so its not like I could of changed it. The summations above clearly show that. Again, I think you had a different convo in your head than what is written above. 

As for iPhone5, I said it will match Vita as I was thinking A6 would be same quad-core chip. Its right there in those linked quotes.

Simple fact is I was right on the 3 to 6 month part, you weren't. That's all I said in the OP of this thread, a thread that while called you out was for a lot more people that just you. Now we'll see if 'most' phones/tablets coming out at the end of the year (i.e. last few months) match or exceed Vita as well as everything in 2013. There should be obvious caveats with this. Android and WP OEMs do put out high-end and low-end product. Of course the low-end cheap shit is not included in this... only the high-end normal stuff.

Finally, there's nothing to get over. I actually don't know why you're pushing a different discussion that what is 100% clear in the linked quotes. I think you are taking this personally. Hell, I've been wrong, its not a big deal. Granted I don't make threads about me being wrong, but I do admit it when it happens.

Wanna know the big things I've been wrong about if it will make you feel better? One was my sig, two was that Wii would get 3rd party support where it would be the primary console around 2009, third was that PS3 would pass 360 in world wide sales in ... I think I said 2010 but can't remember if I meant early or late 2010 or maybe early 2011, fourth was that Kinect would flop and not sale to 10% of 360s userbase (I was good on Move though).. and so forth. 

It happens and its not a big issue. Granted I've been right a far more things like Vita being matched (or exceeded) within 6 mos from March.

Do not make as if im confused, butt hurt, taking it personally or whatever. You "called me out" so now im here.

The main issue i have with this whole thing is that you have singled out one line from our discussion...and you were determined to prove me wrong and you were determined to be right even when you were not (case and point the samsung Galaxy S3 Vs. Vita thread- somehow you made as if you were right about this when i was the one who guessed the correct chip to ship with the S3).

"I never said ALL phones released this year would match/surpass Vita. I said exactly what is detailed in 1,2,3 above... it would be matched in 3 to 6, most match or exceed by end of 2012, and soundly exceed in 2013. Dude, calm down and just reread the quotes... its all there."

Yes you did you very clearly said ALL phones. But that wasnt my point...i knew exactly what you meant when you said this...i knew you were talking about the bulk of high -end smartphones/tablets and not lower, end to mid ranges. I was just using this as an example of how your opening post in this thread is cherry picking and was a douchebag move and that i can also do that. So clearly when i said "NO" phones/tablets i meant just about that...BUT SINGLED OUT THE IPHONE 5 AND GALAXY S3  AS THE PROBABLY CULPRITS TO SURPASS THE VITA. I WAS RIGHT.

Dude seriously i think you are the one who needs to read the thread. You know exactly what you "meant" with most of your posts and links etc. "Vita would be surpassed very shortly" I said you were wrong and i was right.

Hell even now theres only ONE phone to surpass it...and im pretty sure you thought most high end smartphones would by now which was not the case.



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superchunk said:
Shinobi-san said:

Your main point of that initial thread was to prove that Vita was made obsolete by the then announced/available smartphones, you particularly brought up MWC phones being showed off as it happend at that exact point in time. I then showed you and PROVED YOU WRONG IN THAT thread that this was not the case.

Bolded is 100% false and proven by just rereading the quotes I summarized above. This must be where you are getting so wrong in this whole thing.

Oh and yeah this is again from that same thread:

"My point isn't that the new iPad is a games console, just that these devices are already passing Vita" Superchunk 07 March 2012

Err yeah. Fuck off with your 100% false.



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smbu2000 said:
Chark said:


Anyway, thanks for posting the specs. Just one concern, how is the battery life expected to be? Does that A15 take a lot of juice? Will the 2000mAh be enough to make it functional? The Vita has borderline issues with battery life with the 2200mAh, for a phone to have around the same issue... disastrous. You mention it could have better battery life than iPhone 4s (which was disappointing wasn't it?), I want to know how so? To really get the use out of the device you'd have to enjoy high demand programs, is the iPhone 5 looking like a short lived gaming device? I'm sure running idle it lasts all day or more, but what if I play a few hours of the latest graphics pusher? Also, is there and advantage or disadvantage to a dual core?

The A15 is more powerful and it most likely has higher clock speeds than the A9 in the 4S, but it is most likely being made on the 32nm process (instead of the 45nm like on the 4S), so it is 22% smaller and uses less power.

LTE does use more power which is why Apple waited so long to implement LTE. Qualcomm's 28nm LTE chip reduced the size and power usage for LTE usage. Previous LTE chips were larger used more power.

According to the Apple website battery life is:

iPhone 5                                                                                 iPhone 4S                                                                    iPhone 4

Talk time:
Up to 8 hours on 3G

Browsing time:
Up to 8 hours on LTE
Up to 8 hours on 3G
Up to 10 hours on Wi-Fi

Standby time:
Up to 225 hours

Talk time:
Up to 8 hours on 3G

Browsing time:
-
Up to 6 hours on 3G
Up to 9 hours on Wi-Fi

Standby time:
Up to 200 hours

Talk time:
Up to 7 hours on 3G

Browsing time:
-
Up to 6 hours on 3G
Up to 10 hours on Wi-Fi

Standby time:
Up to 300 hours


Great browsing times...that's the main use in my opinion for the device. So better than Vita. I think browsing on Vita is a bigger battery drain than gaming. Still anyone's guess over game time.



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Turns out the iPhone 5 does not have a ARM Cortex-A15 cpu.



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