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HappySqurriel on 12 September 2012
TheShape31 said:
HappySqurriel said:
TheShape31 said:
I love how so many people are talking about previously 'confirmed' specs. Those were old rumors that were repeated over and over so they became 'fact'. And somehow because those old rumors were different from this new one, that the current rumor is automatically 'fake'... even though we're very close to launch, and the specs would seem to match the capabilities of the machine from what we've seen so far. These are the most realistic numbers that have dropped, and I'm inclined to think that it's pretty spot on.

Also, for all the people waiting for Nintendo to confirm the specs.... Nintendo has never confirmed specs, and there's no reason to think that will change. You'll be waiting until the end of time.

We'll know for sure how close this rumor is to the real thing after Wii U launches and it's busted open.

Yeah, IBM is know for making shit up about projects they were working on ...

I bet they got a big LOL out of trolling Nintendo fans by claiming that the Wii U would use a Power7 processor.

http://gamenmotion.blogspot.com/2012/06/rumor-wii-u-cpu-is-3-wii-cpu-cores.html

It's important to pay attention to the most consistent rumors sometimes, and realize that even a guy from IBM can be wrong.  Like I said before, these specs are most likely pretty spot on.

Because anonymous posters on webforums claiming to be industry insiders are more reliable than public statement by a company and press releases?

http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34683.wss

"The all-new, Power-based microprocessor will pack some of IBM's most advanced technology into an energy-saving silicon package that will power Nintendo's brand new entertainment experience for consumers worldwide. IBM's unique embedded DRAM, for example, is capable of feeding the multi-core processor large chunks of data to make for a smooth entertainment experience."

Remember, the Wii was based on the PowerPC architecture not the Power architecture. Believing this rumour is a sign that you're willing to believe (just about) anything as long as it is negative about the Wii U.



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zarx on 12 September 2012
lilbroex said:
zarx said:
lilbroex said:


Your max is a little off. Broadway runs a 723 MHz. Assuming your 32 times slow statement is corret, If it was upped to 3 core then it would only need to run at 2 MHz to match the xenos. 2.5 would put it ahead.


Wait a seccond that doesn't sound right, each Xenon core should obliterate the Broadway at the same clock, it has a SIMD: VMX128 with 2× (128×128 bit) registers and SMT capabilities, plus a more modern instruction set.

The actual numbers are 2.9 Gflops for Broadway at 729 MHz (the reported clock of the Wii). 76.8 GFLOPS for the Xenon so ~26X faster in terms of flops. So Xenon 25.6GFlops per core at 3.2GHZ is over 8.8X faster than the Wii's Broadway at 729Mhz in terms of raw Flops so wouldn't each Broadway core wouldn't it have to be clocked at 6.435GHz to match it with tri core vs tri core?

But I don't think anyone is suggesting that it's just 3 overclocked Broadway cores.


Making it 3 cores would make the performance  9 Gflops at 729 mhb. Triple the power and tha twould be 27 Gflop at 2.2 Ghz.

Also, to make this three core it would clearly have to have major arhictectural redesigns which would mean larger/faster registers and a larger/faster cache as well as a more enhanced veloctiy engine features along the lines of SSSE3 or whatnot.

We still have cofirmation of it being Power7 based so its reasonable to assume that is the Broadway Architecture with Power7 features.

 


Like I said Xenon is 25.6GFlops per core, it's 76.8GFlops total...

So yea 3 Broadway cores at 2.2GHz is only faster than 1 Xenon core.



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lilbroex on 12 September 2012
zarx said:
lilbroex said:
zarx said:
lilbroex said:


Your max is a little off. Broadway runs a 723 MHz. Assuming your 32 times slow statement is corret, If it was upped to 3 core then it would only need to run at 2 MHz to match the xenos. 2.5 would put it ahead.


Wait a seccond that doesn't sound right, each Xenon core should obliterate the Broadway at the same clock, it has a SIMD: VMX128 with 2× (128×128 bit) registers and SMT capabilities, plus a more modern instruction set.

The actual numbers are 2.9 Gflops for Broadway at 729 MHz (the reported clock of the Wii). 76.8 GFLOPS for the Xenon so ~26X faster in terms of flops. So Xenon 25.6GFlops per core at 3.2GHZ is over 8.8X faster than the Wii's Broadway at 729Mhz in terms of raw Flops so wouldn't each Broadway core wouldn't it have to be clocked at 6.435GHz to match it with tri core vs tri core?

But I don't think anyone is suggesting that it's just 3 overclocked Broadway cores.


Making it 3 cores would make the performance  9 Gflops at 729 mhb. Triple the power and tha twould be 27 Gflop at 2.2 Ghz.

Also, to make this three core it would clearly have to have major arhictectural redesigns which would mean larger/faster registers and a larger/faster cache as well as a more enhanced veloctiy engine features along the lines of SSSE3 or whatnot.

We still have cofirmation of it being Power7 based so its reasonable to assume that is the Broadway Architecture with Power7 features.

 


Like I said Xenon is 25.6GFlops per core, it's 76.8GFlops total...

So yea 3 Broadway cores at 2.2GHz is only faster than 1 Xenon core.

Where did you see that is 25.6 per core?

Also, you are neglecting the other facts I pointed out(enhancements from modern tech).



zarx on 12 September 2012
lilbroex said:
zarx said:
lilbroex said:
zarx said:
lilbroex said:


Your max is a little off. Broadway runs a 723 MHz. Assuming your 32 times slow statement is corret, If it was upped to 3 core then it would only need to run at 2 MHz to match the xenos. 2.5 would put it ahead.


Wait a seccond that doesn't sound right, each Xenon core should obliterate the Broadway at the same clock, it has a SIMD: VMX128 with 2× (128×128 bit) registers and SMT capabilities, plus a more modern instruction set.

The actual numbers are 2.9 Gflops for Broadway at 729 MHz (the reported clock of the Wii). 76.8 GFLOPS for the Xenon so ~26X faster in terms of flops. So Xenon 25.6GFlops per core at 3.2GHZ is over 8.8X faster than the Wii's Broadway at 729Mhz in terms of raw Flops so wouldn't each Broadway core wouldn't it have to be clocked at 6.435GHz to match it with tri core vs tri core?

But I don't think anyone is suggesting that it's just 3 overclocked Broadway cores.


Making it 3 cores would make the performance  9 Gflops at 729 mhb. Triple the power and tha twould be 27 Gflop at 2.2 Ghz.

Also, to make this three core it would clearly have to have major arhictectural redesigns which would mean larger/faster registers and a larger/faster cache as well as a more enhanced veloctiy engine features along the lines of SSSE3 or whatnot.

We still have cofirmation of it being Power7 based so its reasonable to assume that is the Broadway Architecture with Power7 features.

 


Like I said Xenon is 25.6GFlops per core, it's 76.8GFlops total...

So yea 3 Broadway cores at 2.2GHz is only faster than 1 Xenon core.

Where did you see that is 25.6 per core?

Also, you are neglecting the other facts I pointed out(enhancements from modern tech).


It seems that number was wrong

looks like the Xenon is actually 115.2 GFLOPs total so 38.4Gflops per core, sorry about that

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33876428

http://www.pvcmuseum.com/games/console-specs/

http://www.leanuxeros.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Leanuxeros.com-CPU-Gflops-comparativa.pdf



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oni-link on 12 September 2012
HappySqurriel said:
TheShape31 said:
HappySqurriel said:
TheShape31 said:
I love how so many people are talking about previously 'confirmed' specs. Those were old rumors that were repeated over and over so they became 'fact'. And somehow because those old rumors were different from this new one, that the current rumor is automatically 'fake'... even though we're very close to launch, and the specs would seem to match the capabilities of the machine from what we've seen so far. These are the most realistic numbers that have dropped, and I'm inclined to think that it's pretty spot on.

Also, for all the people waiting for Nintendo to confirm the specs.... Nintendo has never confirmed specs, and there's no reason to think that will change. You'll be waiting until the end of time.

We'll know for sure how close this rumor is to the real thing after Wii U launches and it's busted open.

Yeah, IBM is know for making shit up about projects they were working on ...

I bet they got a big LOL out of trolling Nintendo fans by claiming that the Wii U would use a Power7 processor.

http://gamenmotion.blogspot.com/2012/06/rumor-wii-u-cpu-is-3-wii-cpu-cores.html

It's important to pay attention to the most consistent rumors sometimes, and realize that even a guy from IBM can be wrong.  Like I said before, these specs are most likely pretty spot on.

Because anonymous posters on webforums claiming to be industry insiders are more reliable than public statement by a company and press releases?

http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34683.wss

"The all-new, Power-based microprocessor will pack some of IBM's most advanced technology into an energy-saving silicon package that will power Nintendo's brand new entertainment experience for consumers worldwide. IBM's unique embedded DRAM, for example, is capable of feeding the multi-core processor large chunks of data to make for a smooth entertainment experience."

Remember, the Wii was based on the PowerPC architecture not the Power architecture. Believing this rumour is a sign that you're willing to believe (just about) anything as long as it is negative about the Wii U.


OUCH...THE SHAPE JUST GOT OWWWNEED!!! LOL  serves him right 



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zarx on 12 September 2012
lilbroex said:


False, Broadway is a 64bit processor.

  • 90 nanometer process technology
  • Power Architecture core, specially modified for the Wii platform
  • IBM silicon on insulator (SOI) technology
  • Backward compatible with the Gekko processor
  • 729 MHz
  • 32-bit integer unit
  • 64-bit floating-point (or 2 × 32-bit SIMD, often found under the denomination "paired singles")
  • 64 kB L1 cache (32 kB instruction + 32 kB data)
  • 256 kB L2 cache
  • 2.9 GFLOPS

External bus

  • 64-bit
  • 243 MHz
  • 1.944 gigabytes per second bandwidth

Only the integer unit is listed at 32 bit.


IBM says it's 32-Bit

http://raidenii.net/files/datasheets/cpu/ppc_broadway.pdf

I suppose you think that the Pentium 3 is a 128-Bit CPU because it has a SIMD 128-bit Floating point register lol

http://www.ehow.com/list_7446473_pentium-3-specifications.html

 

The instruction set of the Broadway is 32-Bit it's a 32-Bit CPU



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Mr Khan on 12 September 2012

Something i've never known (also known as another part in the series of "Mr Khan is too lazy to google this"), what the hell is a Flop? It seems to measure computing "capacity" as opposed to computing "speed." What's the deal there?



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HappySqurriel on 12 September 2012
Mr Khan said:
Something i've never known (also known as another part in the series of "Mr Khan is too lazy to google this"), what the hell is a Flop? It seems to measure computing "capacity" as opposed to computing "speed." What's the deal there?


FLOP is a FLoating point OPeration ...

While there are more operations than this, it is effectively an addition/subtraction/multiplication/division of two floating point numbers.



TheShape31 on 12 September 2012
HappySqurriel said:
TheShape31 said:
HappySqurriel said:
TheShape31 said:
I love how so many people are talking about previously 'confirmed' specs. Those were old rumors that were repeated over and over so they became 'fact'. And somehow because those old rumors were different from this new one, that the current rumor is automatically 'fake'... even though we're very close to launch, and the specs would seem to match the capabilities of the machine from what we've seen so far. These are the most realistic numbers that have dropped, and I'm inclined to think that it's pretty spot on.

Also, for all the people waiting for Nintendo to confirm the specs.... Nintendo has never confirmed specs, and there's no reason to think that will change. You'll be waiting until the end of time.

We'll know for sure how close this rumor is to the real thing after Wii U launches and it's busted open.

Yeah, IBM is know for making shit up about projects they were working on ...

I bet they got a big LOL out of trolling Nintendo fans by claiming that the Wii U would use a Power7 processor.

http://gamenmotion.blogspot.com/2012/06/rumor-wii-u-cpu-is-3-wii-cpu-cores.html

It's important to pay attention to the most consistent rumors sometimes, and realize that even a guy from IBM can be wrong.  Like I said before, these specs are most likely pretty spot on.

Because anonymous posters on webforums claiming to be industry insiders are more reliable than public statement by a company and press releases?

http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34683.wss

"The all-new, Power-based microprocessor will pack some of IBM's most advanced technology into an energy-saving silicon package that will power Nintendo's brand new entertainment experience for consumers worldwide. IBM's unique embedded DRAM, for example, is capable of feeding the multi-core processor large chunks of data to make for a smooth entertainment experience."

Remember, the Wii was based on the PowerPC architecture not the Power architecture. Believing this rumour is a sign that you're willing to believe (just about) anything as long as it is negative about the Wii U.

Because I disagree with you obviously means "I'll believe anything as long as it is negative".  Obviously.  Or maybe we just happen to disagree.  Also, I fail to see in that press release the part where it says Power7.  Maybe you can point that out.  And of course no inside source has ever leaked true information before... not even when it was revealed prematurely that Project Cafe would have a touch screen controller.  Leave the leaks to the industry professionals, of course.

But you've missed my point entirely.  Going back to my original post I said that a rumor is just a rumor, and we won't know exactly what kind of hardware the Wii U is made of until a consumer buys one and busts it open.  You happen to be the only one between us that is saying with no doubt what kind of guts the console has.  So obviously you can provide pictures of some sort?  Nope, just going by a rumor.  Rumors = potential truths... they're all worth nothing until proven right. Just because I've said that I think one rumor might be right over another is far different from saying that I know the truth.  And what I'm leaning toward isn't even a negative rumor.

So let's hold onto these ideas for when we get actual facts handed to us after launch.  Although conversing with you has been such a pleasure.



zarx on 12 September 2012
Mr Khan said:
Something i've never known (also known as another part in the series of "Mr Khan is too lazy to google this"), what the hell is a Flop? It seems to measure computing "capacity" as opposed to computing "speed." What's the deal there?

FLOP is an abbreviation of FLoating-point OPeration, basically a flop is taking 2+ floating point numbers and performing a calculation. A floating point number is how computers store a real number, which is a number with a decimal point basically. Vs intigers which are whole numbers "1,2,3 etc".



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