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lilbroex said:
oniyide said:
." Sony never demonstrated Vita doing "what the Wii U does" until after the Wii U was announced and even then, it didn't demonstrate it comparably well at all, much less at a reasonable cost."

When they showed the Vita crossplay was one of the things they did show and talk about, hell even the commercials showed it with MLB. So either you dont know what you're talking about or you're lying. And 2nd of course they didnt say anything about Wii U, they didnt even know at the time


I'm still trying to figure out where this Vita crossplay factors into the Wii U and Upad? Second, where did I say "they" said anything about the Wii U at any given time? Where did you get that from?

Also, as I said above, the GBA and GC did what Sony is doing as well as the DS and Wii. What the UPad does with the Wii U is completely different than what Vita does with the PS3. Sony didn't already have the tech. They don't have the tech even now. Vita and the Upad use completely different technogloies. Also, Nintendo settled on the idea for the touchscreen controller being used with their next console in 2009(or was it 2007) in case you forgot.

Good luck with trying to figure that out, Ninty rep was the one to poing out the comparison and saying SONY was copying with the Vita, which is a wrong statement seeing as the Vita was made and has already been released and Wii U hasnt. Its not about whether Sony copied a concept but Vita is not copying Wii U. Unless Sony sent someone into the future to find out what Ninty was doing.

What does the DS/Wii do?? Can I use it to play games and features of off the Wii. Cause if not its not the same thing at all. I'll give you that they use different tech, but they achieve some of the same things. With the U pad you can play some games and stuff on the pad without the use of the TV, streaming from the console. This is no different than what PSP/PS3 did years ago and is not different than what the Vita/PS3 does today. Now granted the Wii U is going to do more, of course it is. Its using better tech, but lets not pretend like Ninty is being original here and this Wii U thing is something that they made up on their own, because its simply not true



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Panama said:
Guess Kamiya was too busy stroking it over his own creations instead of playing The Outfoxies back in the day.


Shhhh... The Outfoxies NEVER HAPPENED. Nintendo did it first, damnit!!!



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oniyide said:
." Sony never demonstrated Vita doing "what the Wii U does" until after the Wii U was announced and even then, it didn't demonstrate it comparably well at all, much less at a reasonable cost."

When they showed the Vita crossplay was one of the things they did show and talk about, hell even the commercials showed it with MLB. So either you dont know what you're talking about or you're lying. And 2nd of course they didnt say anything about Wii U, they didnt even know at the time

Does anybody remember that demo before the PS3 launched where F1 on PS3 was being played using the PSP as a controller? It had this cool feature where the PSP's screen was a rear view mirror for your car. Does anybody remember this? 



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reading a bit more. Gabe Newell is funny. In ms. Webb's defense, she isnt wrong about Ratchet, i cant think of another game out there that is a 3d action platformer. Mario Galaxy is much more traditional and straight platforming, nothing wrong with that. I played both games and they are different enough to me, that they dont overlap. Dont agree with the childish part. and i disagree about MML3 people cared, how much people? is up for debate.



Dgc1808 said:
oniyide said:
." Sony never demonstrated Vita doing "what the Wii U does" until after the Wii U was announced and even then, it didn't demonstrate it comparably well at all, much less at a reasonable cost."

When they showed the Vita crossplay was one of the things they did show and talk about, hell even the commercials showed it with MLB. So either you dont know what you're talking about or you're lying. And 2nd of course they didnt say anything about Wii U, they didnt even know at the time

Does anybody remember that demo before the PS3 launched where F1 on PS3 was being played using the PSP as a controller? It had this cool feature where the PSP's screen was a rear view mirror for your car. Does anybody remember this? 

That does sound familiar.

I think at the end of the day this whole field of "smaller device with screen to help control the game" is one of those things that Nintendo first made mass-market (GBA Link Cable), but didn't invent (which goes either to the Dreamcast VMU or to the PocketStation depending on how you interpret the purpose of the latter)



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Mr Khan said:
Dgc1808 said:
oniyide said:
." Sony never demonstrated Vita doing "what the Wii U does" until after the Wii U was announced and even then, it didn't demonstrate it comparably well at all, much less at a reasonable cost."

When they showed the Vita crossplay was one of the things they did show and talk about, hell even the commercials showed it with MLB. So either you dont know what you're talking about or you're lying. And 2nd of course they didnt say anything about Wii U, they didnt even know at the time

Does anybody remember that demo before the PS3 launched where F1 on PS3 was being played using the PSP as a controller? It had this cool feature where the PSP's screen was a rear view mirror for your car. Does anybody remember this? 

That does sound familiar.

I think at the end of the day this whole field of "smaller device with screen to help control the game" is one of those things that Nintendo first made mass-market (GBA Link Cable), but didn't invent (which goes either to the Dreamcast VMU or to the PocketStation depending on how you interpret the purpose of the latter)


Yep. It's been here for a while and I think as tech improves it will just become more widely used. At some point I expect people to just accept that everyone will use it. Like what happened to rumble, analogue sticks and touch screens.



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Mr Khan said:
Dgc1808 said:
oniyide said:
." Sony never demonstrated Vita doing "what the Wii U does" until after the Wii U was announced and even then, it didn't demonstrate it comparably well at all, much less at a reasonable cost."

When they showed the Vita crossplay was one of the things they did show and talk about, hell even the commercials showed it with MLB. So either you dont know what you're talking about or you're lying. And 2nd of course they didnt say anything about Wii U, they didnt even know at the time

Does anybody remember that demo before the PS3 launched where F1 on PS3 was being played using the PSP as a controller? It had this cool feature where the PSP's screen was a rear view mirror for your car. Does anybody remember this? 

That does sound familiar.

I think at the end of the day this whole field of "smaller device with screen to help control the game" is one of those things that Nintendo first made mass-market (GBA Link Cable), but didn't invent (which goes either to the Dreamcast VMU or to the PocketStation depending on how you interpret the purpose of the latter)

this.



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lilbroex said:
Player1x3 said:
lilbroex said:
Player1x3 said:
lilbroex said:
bananaking21 said:
TomaTito said:
bananaking21 said:
 

and they will ignore the fact that you know the vita was announced before the WiiU and it launched a year earlier.....

 

 

Satoru Iwata  (CEO of Nintendo)

Talks about Microsoft copying Wii U with SmartGlass and Sony copying with PS Cross Play:

“It’s quicker than before. After our showing of motion control, it took three years for other companies to follow suit. But this time it’s just one year after our proposal, even before we’ve released the actual product. I think that proves the great potential of what we showed last year.” (Source)

 

thats the quote, he claimed sony copying cross play but again i say the vita launched a year earlier..... yet somehow they copyed nintendo within a year.... makes complete sense to me


They did copy Nintendo. Sony released the handheld, but heavy advertisme4nt of using it to do "almost exactly" what the Upad didn't happen until after the Wii U was announced and neither did this.

 


again, you're funny

No, not really. In fact. Not at all.  Remote access is not what the UPad does and what the photo is presenting is not a what the Wii U was made to do.

Once again, Sony did not start advertising it as doing "almost" exactly what the Wii U does until after it was announced. Pehaps you should learn what that is before you convince yourself that you have debunked a statement about the console.


Perhaps you shoul.

Satoru Iwata  (CEO of Nintendo)

Talks about Microsoft copying Wii U with SmartGlass and Sony copying with PS Cross Play:

The quote says  ''Cross Play' . Meaning being able to play and use unique features of a game developed for one system while using another.The fact is, Sony had a handheld capable of Cross Play a YEAR before Wii U even launched. And they had a handheld in 2005 as well, years before Wii U or even Wii were announced (PSP - Ps2 crossplay was possible) so how the fuck were the copying Nintendo (who are no doubt creators of everything in existence, including existence itself) if they had not 1 but 2 systems being capable of cross play years before Wii U even came out??? When they advertised it is irrelevant. They already thought about those features and included them into a system a year before a competitor came out with them. Copying would mean they had included it after nintendo showed it off, which isn't the case. They had the idea and technology of cross play already in the handheld

Stop. Right from the beginning. Even in your first reply earlier. GC+GBA. That nulls the entire rest of that nonsense.

Except that Iwata was talking about Wii U...and don't pretend like GC GBA were the first with crossplay anyway. There is very little in the industry what nintendo actually did first.

Second, you can compare terms out of their intended context all day, but they are not the same.

You can claim that facts that aren't convenient for your argument or blow it out of the water are irrevelent if you wish, but then that completely invalidates your own argument because they are the topic of conversation.

The topic of conversation was Vita copying Wii U (!???) despite being on market 1 year longer. You're the one who brought advertisement into this, which IS completely irrelevant to the actual point.

Its like comparing pizza styles but saying "The cheese and the bread are irrevelent. I only want to focus on the sauce and only from this date, not any others."

What?

The features in the Vita are not the exact same as the features in the UPad. They don't do the same thing and they don't work the same way. I said this once already. Sony never demonstrated Vita doing "what the Wii U does" until after the Wii U was announced and even then, it didn't demonstrate it comparably well at all, much less at a reasonable cost.

Oh, so you agree Iwata was talking bullshit? Again, copying would mean they saw what U can do, and LATER include it in a system. But they already had the functions, idea and ability to do that what Iwata was implying they did year before U even launches. Advertising that your system is able to do the similar thing your competitors major selling point is (be that statement correct or not) is absolutely nothing new and everyone, including nintendo, is doing it and in no way implies copying

 

Your entire arugment is based on a factor of time but you make it irrevelent when its not in your favor...





lilbroex said:
bananaking21 said:
TomaTito said:
bananaking21 said:
oniyide said:
Wagram said:
The Former Nintendo President clearly deserves that Former title. lol


THIS. In Kojima's defense, the Ninty MG games havent really sold that well. Twin Snakes did worse than i thought, despite getting good reviews and coverage and MGS3d isnt doing anywhere near as much as people intially thought(i dont blame Nnty for that, the asshole who thought they should sesll it for full price should be demoted).

The Wii U smart glass, crossplay comparison is LOL. THey have a case for smart glass, but cross play is just an updated version of remote play that has been available for PSP/PS3 for years, probably before Ninty even thought of Wii U, but i know certain people will ignore that.

and they will ignore the fact that you know the vita was announced before the WiiU and it launched a year earlier.....



 

Satoru Iwata  (CEO of Nintendo)

Talks about Microsoft copying Wii U with SmartGlass and Sony copying with PS Cross Play:

“It’s quicker than before. After our showing of motion control, it took three years for other companies to follow suit. But this time it’s just one year after our proposal, even before we’ve released the actual product. I think that proves the great potential of what we showed last year.” (Source)

 

thats the quote, he claimed sony copying cross play but again i say the vita launched a year earlier..... yet somehow they copyed nintendo within a year.... makes complete sense to me


They did copy Nintendo. Sony released the handheld, but heavy advertisme4nt of using it to do "almost exactly" what the Upad didn't happen until after the Wii U was announced and neither did this.

thats a sharp shooter with a small screen on it...... again a sharp shooter with a small screen on it....its not a vita, its not a tablet.... look at the size of the thing and compare it to the WiiU's thing also.....

 

this was announced before the WiiU. ohh and and sony announced remote play before Wii and DS did, and you cant even compate the functunality between the two. and what the vita and ps3 are capable of doing together are much more capable of what the WiiU with its tablet can do..... i dont see how you can even say they been copying the WiiU with the vita