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SecondWar said:
To even attempt to deal with a debt pile of that size you need both serious tax rises and serious spending cuts. Unfortunately, neither party will do both.

The Republicans will generally cut spending but will then also cut taxes. The military, which is sucks up a massive amount of resources, but seems almost immune to austerity.

The Democrats will (try) to raise taxes but will also increase the level of spending, in the process getting a lot of negative press-attention from more vocal right-wing 'patriots'.

People always want short-term, quick fixes but for an issue like this there is no such thing, any solution is long-term and will likely cause problems in the short-term, creating a backlash and only serving to make it worse.

There is a secondary problem with Tax increases.

Generally it's been shown that whenever taxes increase.  Spending increases offsetting any deficit reduction.

They can be a part of the solution but you need real dedication and heavy cuts to make it work.

Essentially making heavier then usual cuts, combined with tax increases, so the tax increase money is unallocated and can go where it's needed.

 

It's why I think we need a Libretarian government.  They can come in, and smash down just about everything... then be replaced in 4 years and taxes can be raised up, and taxes put to more efficent uses.



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kennyrester said:

Hu's the president of China?


Hu is.



The rEVOLution is not being televised

Hu's retirement has little to do with that.

Aside from the frightful human rights abuses, the Chinese system does more to accomodate long-term thinking, while here in America democracy has bought us uncertainty as to whether we'll even agree to continue paying our debt.



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S.T.A.G.E. said:

Fed audited and caught giving out 16 trillion to banks in the US and places around the world. Goobye Bernanke and thank you Ron Paul. :)

http://beforeitsnews.com/economy/2012/09/first-audit-in-the-federal-reserves-nearly-100-year-history-were-posted-today-the-results-are-startling-2449770.html


I... already knew about that.  

in fact...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/traceygreenstein/2011/09/20/the-feds-16-trillion-bailouts-under-reported/

Can't see it doing much now since it didn't then.



Viper1 said:
kennyrester said:

Hu's the president of China?


Hu is.


That's what I'm asking, Hu is?



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kennyrester said:
Viper1 said:
kennyrester said:

Hu's the president of China?


Hu is.


That's what I'm asking, Hu is?

First base!



kennyrester said:
Viper1 said:
kennyrester said:

Hu's the president of China?


Hu is.


That's what I'm asking, Hu is?

Hu is president.



The rEVOLution is not being televised

Mr Khan said:
Hu's retirement has little to do with that.

Aside from the frightful human rights abuses, the Chinese system does more to accomodate long-term thinking, while here in America democracy has bought us uncertainty as to whether we'll even agree to continue paying our debt.


Hu is getting out at the right time though... big worrisome economic problems, big problems with people mad at the ruling caste government embezzlement (see the recent mercedes incident.  The chinese one obviously.)

Hu getting out now reminds me of when Theo Epstein left the Red Sox.



Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
Hu's retirement has little to do with that.

Aside from the frightful human rights abuses, the Chinese system does more to accomodate long-term thinking, while here in America democracy has bought us uncertainty as to whether we'll even agree to continue paying our debt.


Hu is getting out at the right time though... big worrisome economic problems, big problems with people mad at the ruling caste government embezzlement (see the recent mercedes incident.  The chinese one obviously.)

Hu getting out now reminds me of when Theo Epstein left the Red Sox.

Oh i agree, things aren't as rosy for the Chinese as people make them out to be, though there are some advantages in their system (one of which is keeping things rosier than they should be, namely that they're propping the real-estate bubble up with simple fiat)



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this is why politics and money is useless.

Everyone should switch over to a resource base economy like in Star Trek.



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