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JayWood2010 said:

If that is the case, shouldnt he have just not said anything at all?

And this is where what I was talking about earlier comes into play. You can choose to be constructive here but it seems you're not going to take that route. You, and anyone else reading this discussion, already know the answer to that question (the answer is he shouldn't have said anything while being uninformed or out of sync with the other mods) but you're phrasing it this way to get the mods to admit something that will make you look more credible for your own sake of sway on the forums instead of just stating that he shouldn't have said anything and suggesting a resolution or improvement so that something like this doesn't happen again.

But do go on. This will be the more entertaining route. Because that's what is important here.



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TheForgottenOne said:

That is nothing more than an assumption on your part. It is simple, the mods should admit when theyre wrong about something.  Pezus's first ban, the mods can make a case for that all day, my guess is few people will agree.  Mr khan and ConeG both handled Tbone's thread wrong instead of giving the truth about it(trucks correctly dealt with it).  Noble's ban shouldnt have been anything more than a warning.  The Gears of War thread also horribly handled.   When people bring this up they're swept under the rug and errors continue.  It isnt hard for one of them to come out and say, it wasnt handled correctly, we will do better in the future.  The mods can call us spoiled and that is perfectly fine but they need to realize they're a big part of the community themselves and what they choose to do can ultimately be a deciding factor on whether or not someone continues to come to this site.





       

pezus said:

The first ban was ridiculous, to be fair. I wasn't even discussing the moderation at all, just asking what he meant and explaining what I meant when I posted on riderz' wall. (And yes, Carl, it was an accusation. An accusation that I had known Riderz had an alt all along and thus making me look bad)

Regarding the second ban, I suppose I needed a better word for abuse of internet power (but Godwin's law and all...). I'm well aware that being able to post on this site is a privilige and all that, but there's a point where limiting free speech actually detracts from discussion in general instead of doing what the rules are supposed to do, foster discussion.

Scolding and beatings aren't always the best way to teach someone how to behave. After all, this website depends on its users and I've noticed an increasing amount of unhappiness with the moderations recently, at least in my "circle".


Re-read the post you quoted.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6261622

Nowhere is he accusing you of knowing about Riderz in that post. He said that Riderz would be banned again if he returned, followed by a warning to not further discuss the Riderz/EB thing in that thread... Followed by some advice for your "circle" to actually bring up problems with the team rather than amongst yourselves in PMs.

"At any rate you know the drill by now. Don't discuss it here, or you'll be banned."

Lets take a look again at the post that got you banned.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6262805

"I didn't "give the game away" because I didn't know he was an alt. I commented on his wall because of his ban explanation, which said he was an alt. I was surprised he was an alt, honestly, because, as I said, he was very different."

Youre continuing to talk about the moderation of Riderz. Its off topic and Conegamer had already just directly gave you a warning to keep it out of the thread. He didnt accuse you of knowing about Riderz, he didnt accuse anyone of knowing about Riderz.

If he had accused you elsewhere, then again, the PS Nation thread wasnt the place to bring it up especially after you had been warned to take it out of the thread.

Am I missing something here?

JayWood2010 said:

That is nothing more than an assumption on your part. It is simple, the mods should admit when theyre wrong about something.  Pezus's ban, the mods can make a case for that all day, my guess is few people will agree.  Mr khan and COneG both handled tTbone's thread wrong instead of giving the truth about it(trucks correctl dealt with it).  Noble's ban shouldnt have been anything more than a warning.  The Gears of War thread also horribly handled.   When people bring this up theyre swept under the rug and errors continue.  It isnt hard for one of them to come out and say, it wasnt handled correctly, we will do better in the future.  The mods can call us spoiled and that is perfectly fine but they need to realize theyre a big part of the communit themselves and what they choose to do can ultimately be a deciding factor on whether or not someone continues to come to this site.


We do admit when we get things wrong. Recent examples include NT360's ban and kowenicki's ban. Im more than willing to talk about any and all (and if Id agree/ disagree with them) moderations that go on, even if I had nothing to do with the action at hand.

If Ive got something wrong, I actively want someone to point it out. People here are saying that Im being too strict or that Im partly responsible for things apparently going downhill. I mean, you yourself said that the moderation has gotten worse since I started modding... Tell me why! None of you are actually telling me what Ive done wrong. Youre not giving me the chance to "admit" that Im wrong about something, because youre not actually giving me any examples.



                            

Carl2291 said:

. I mean, you yourself said that the moderation has gotten worse since I started modding...


Ive already given multiple examples, 4 which is in what you just quoted.  Not necessarily things youve dealt with, but in the same time frame that youve been in a mod., hence since you started modding.  




       

JayWood2010 said:

Ive already given multiple examples, 4 which is in what you just quoted.  Not necessarily things youve dealt with, but in the same time frame that youve been in a mod., hence since you started modding.  


So its not problems with me, just problems since I have been a mod?

You have no specific problems with my moderation?



                            

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JayWood2010 said:
TheForgottenOne said:

That is nothing more than an assumption on your part. It is simple, the mods should admit when theyre wrong about something.  Pezus's first ban, the mods can make a case for that all day, my guess is few people will agree.


So you think that it's wrong to ban someone for ignoring the warning of a mod?

You do realize that would defeat the entire purpose of informal warnings and more or less just mean that EVERYBODY would ignore EVERY mod guideline right?   Leading to it being impossible to get threads under control leading to even more bans, and thread locks.

Even if a moderations warning is wrong (Which is wasn't in this case) it needs to be obeyed and any objections need to be brought up directly to Axumblade, Kantor or the mod in question.

People thinking they have the right to ignore incorrect moderation choices leads to chaos because a lot of people don't really have a clue on what is or isn't a correct application of mod power. 

Even if the specific warning in the thread is wrong, the direct flouting of mod authority is in of itself worthy of a ban.  Talking about the subject warned about should only resume after a mod admits the warning was incorrect, and posts in the thread to state it as such.



Carl2291 said:
JayWood2010 said:

Ive already given multiple examples, 4 which is in what you just quoted.  Not necessarily things youve dealt with, but in the same time frame that youve been in a mod., hence since you started modding.  


So its not problems with me, just problems since I have been a mod?

You have no specific problems with my moderation?


Yes and no.  I havent had any issue with you.  




       

JayWood2010 said:
TheForgottenOne said:

That is nothing more than an assumption on your part. It is simple, the mods should admit when theyre wrong about something.  Pezus's first ban, the mods can make a case for that all day, my guess is few people will agree.  Mr khan and ConeG both handled Tbone's thread wrong instead of giving the truth about it(trucks correctly dealt with it).  Noble's ban shouldnt have been anything more than a warning.  The Gears of War thread also horribly handled.   When people bring this up they're swept under the rug and errors continue.  It isnt hard for one of them to come out and say, it wasnt handled correctly, we will do better in the future.  The mods can call us spoiled and that is perfectly fine but they need to realize they're a big part of the community themselves and what they choose to do can ultimately be a deciding factor on whether or not someone continues to come to this site.


The Pezus ban is for directly ignoring a warning in the thread; saying that it will result in a ban. We've made this point over and over again in this thread, so where's the confusion? You can't just ignore a mod warning and if pezus had just PM'd me with his concerns I could have explained rather than this happening. He didn't, so he was banned. I'm not really sure why that's posing such confusion unfortunately.

Also, as with the tbone thing I sent you a lengthy PM explaining the entire thing to you, so that should be cleared up. Could that have been handled better? Maybe, but it was the first time such a thing had happened for me and I believed the problem was sorted with tbone without having to explain to other people, but when it became apparant the reasoning was posted publicly and the whole thing was cleared up. 

Noble's ban was only something I was aware of after the ban expired, and I am informed that it has been discussed with the people who are involved, so I can't say anything else about that. 

Axum even said here earlier in the thread that we do make errors and when there are some then they are sorted out. It's impossible for us to check every post (hence reports) and sometimes not all mods agree with a moderation. With the Kowen ban, for example, the mods online at the time were in agreement so we went with the ban, but afterwards it was decided that with more input from other mods the decision was incorrect and as such the ban was overturned. It happens, and I'm not ashamed to admit that. Nothing is being swept under the rug, which is why it's being discussed here. Furthermore, I have PM'd other users in the past month when they have voiced concerns over bans or moderation from myself and other mods to try and smooth things out without having to result to mod bashing; a method I find works surprisingly well. 

But expecting us to be happy with public complaints about moderation in the forum; which directly goes against forum rules, is going too far. We have this thread, we have e-mail, we have PM's, Skype, AIM...there's more than enough ways to voice your opinion both publicly and privately, and we will answer as you can see.

Finally, I'm really not sure if this is as widespread an issue as you claim it to be. I can see very few users in this thread talking about moderation; and the "eexcuse" than people don't see this thread just doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. As I said I've had plenty of PM's; both positive and negative about moderation concerning myself and other users and I have responded to each and every one to clear up any concerns, questions or praise which these users have sent. So people know what they need to do and are doing it, and these problems are being resolved, regardless of what you may think. I'm assuming this is the same for other moderators as well.



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

imo people just try to lure a specific reaction out of the mods and then jump only on that response, they forget about everything else and say " I was right, i told you guys were corrupt/wrong/biased"



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pezus said:

Can I only talk about the post I quote? Everyone knew what I was talking about, because Conegamer said I "gave the game away". Yes, he did say it...if I thought it would change anything at all I would find the post and link it.

I know full well what Conegamer had said, but that doesn't make it right. Stopping all discussion right there that's even remotely related to his moderation is what I'm opposed to. Him deciding that those who do not forget that discussion ever happened is what I'm against. You're saying, and I am paraphrasing: "This is what he said, and you went against it so you got rightfully banned" if I understand you correctly. My problem is altogether different.


When responding to a specific post, its always best to quote that post. If I missed it (which I apparently did), then I apologise. Like you already know though, its not going to change anything because its not relevant to why you were banned.

He wasnt stopping the discussion, he was stopping the discussion in that specific thread. You had every right to talk your complaint to this thread or a pm. Thats the point. You were moderated for carrying it on in that thread, not simply just for carrying it on. If you felt that Conegamer accused you of knowing about Riderz, then that wasnt the place to continue the discussion when you had already been asked to keep it out of that thread. If he made a mistake, let him know using the correct channels. Cone is a reasonable guy, and as this thread can prove, he can admit when he makes a mistake.

If he did make a mistake, then Im more than confident that he would have followed up any accusation with an apology, had you used the correct channels and not ignored his warning. I just dont think you have a leg to stand on here when arguing against the ban, primarily because the post you quoted directly told y'all to keep the discussion out of that thread. Thats the killer blow.

If you had gone about it the right way, you wouldnt have been banned and we wouldnt have been having this discussion.