Im not saying that doing it will get you a moderation.

Im saying that if you do it and it is seen as antagonistic baiting or general flaming then you will be moderated.

Honestly, I think youre just being rude and unpleasant for the sake of it. Its not cool or funny, it just makes you look like youre throwing your toys out of the pram. Im starting to think kirby is right and youre simply refusing to be open to a different view.

And with that, I shall leave you to your rants. Ive said all that needs to be said to you regarding your behaviour. Its up to you to take it on.

kirby007 said: The logic is fine. You should see obama as  torrilian or kantor, in the highest position but still lacking true power to do whatever they please. Then again i'm starting to doubt you are even open for a different view other then your own. If so please tell me now before this goes any further.

I dont know what to tell you if you cant see the glaring difference. Like you said ioi said earlier, this aint a fucking democracy.

Carl2291 said: Im not saying that doing it will get you a moderation. Im saying that if you do it and it is seen as antagonistic baiting or general flaming then you will be moderated. Honestly, I think youre just being rude and unpleasant for the sake of it. Its not cool or funny, it just makes you look like youre throwing your toys out of the pram. Im starting to think kirby is right and youre simply refusing to be open to a different view. And with that, I shall leave you to your rants. Ive said all that needs to be said to you regarding your behaviour. Its up to you to take it on.

I wont change and I will post the same I always have. What needs to change is the consistency. If the higher ups say its okay to call someone's posts and behaviors out then when I say a dumb ass who is acting like a dumb ass is a dumb ass then everything should be okie dory.

However, you think those are my only issues? I got warned for trolling by Mr Khan because someone said owning an XB1 is lucky and I responded how that was lucky. Heres Mr Khan: How is it not, is the question here?

My response: How is it not? Lets see, taking advantage of a promotion a business is holding =/= luck. Finding one in the store =/= luck. Having money to by the system =/= luck. So, tell me, how is being a system owner "success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions."

Now you can try to cop out and pull some bullshit like "Well, see in order for that person to even be alive in order to want an xb1 the certain egg had to meet the certain sperm" If thats the case then an issue arises.... EVERY FUCKING THING IN LIFE WOULD BE LUCKY! Considering we don't use lucky in that term then that's not an acceptable response. We use it to denote something completely by chance for example, I was lucky because my school cancelled a class that I wanted to take. That left me scrambling to fill the slot. Since I had 4 other classes my options were extremely limited and considering it was a week before classes started the ones that I could take were mostly filled. I got an email the very next day saying a spot opened up for a class that is difficult to get into and first response gets in. The class just happened to be one I needed and it worked with my other classes. I just happened to be the first one to respond. It was a philosophy class, I'm now a philosophy minor because I enjoyed the class so much. Ontop of which there was a gorgeous girl in the class that I was able to get a date with. We fell in love and got married. I was extremely lucky that a string of freak events happened to cause me meeting who would turn out to be my wife and for me to take a class that would dictate my studies. THAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO USE THE WORD LUCKY. If my class wasnt cancelled, if a spot in another class didn't open, if I werent the first to respond, if I didn't enjoy the class, if I didn't like the girl, if the girl didnt like me then my whole life would be different right now. Thats a lot of if's.

Then theres the thread that got locked because Kaz found it hard to believe that MS was unhappy with sales and were wasting tons of money to try and spur sales. But that's not what got it locked. I could recreate the thread if I didn't mention that I saw an MS representitive convert old XB1's into new bundles. Now, after a dissapointing March NPD, BenV saying sales drop immediatly after Titanfall, ridiculous amount of bundling and price cuts from retailers.... is it still hard to believe MS was wasting lots of money? No. I'm like 5/5 when it comes for stuff like this. I called XB1 < Ps4 in the US during launch when people like Kirby were calling bullshit. "Oh your just basing that off of you target store" (Hint I wasnt). I called MS having a dissapointing January. I called MS not having as good as expected March. Thread should never have been locked and MS fans should have been told #dealwithit.

axumblade said: Max, exactly how many times have Kantor or Tor overturned your bans because they felt you were wronged? Most of the bans on the site, are discussed in the mod chat room, so normally, it's not just 1 mod who thinks you have done something wrong. That is part of our consistency. While Tor or Kantor might have not been part of the discussion, this is how we generally handle moderating on the site now. I don't understand why you don't listen to people when they tell you that the you need to stop being condescending and disrespectful to users. I've told you several times to knock it off, yet you seem to just blow off any advice I try to give you to stop you from being rude. At least other members attempt to behave for bouts of time to get their moderation times to drop. You just jump right back in when you find a user to be annoying. I'm not telling you to leave, but if this is how you truly feel about the mod team, perhaps it's best for you to find a site where you can constantly disrespect users without fear of penalty. Because it's been this way since you joined the site in 2008 and your history reflects that.

Please tell me how my last ban was even justified. Read the posts I've quoted of Tor. How is it justified to warn someone for CORRECTLY using the english language. How is it justified to lock a thread when it's well known that I have some higher knowledge of the inner workings of retail? Then tell me how it's justified to mix your messages. Is it okay to say people are acting stupid or is it not? If it's okay then why ban me for similar things. If its not then why say it is?

axumblade said: Max, exactly how many times have Kantor or Tor overturned your bans because they felt you were wronged? Most of the bans on the site, are discussed in the mod chat room, so normally, it's not just 1 mod who thinks you have done something wrong. That is part of our consistency. While Tor or Kantor might have not been part of the discussion, this is how we generally handle moderating on the site now. I don't understand why you don't listen to people when they tell you that the you need to stop being condescending and disrespectful to users. I've told you several times to knock it off, yet you seem to just blow off any advice I try to give you to stop you from being rude. At least other members attempt to behave for bouts of time to get their moderation times to drop. You just jump right back in when you find a user to be annoying. I'm not telling you to leave, but if this is how you truly feel about the mod team, perhaps it's best for you to find a site where you can constantly disrespect users without fear of penalty. Because it's been this way since you joined the site in 2008 and your history reflects that.

What do you have to say to this user saying the same thing?

Can we stop with the overzealous moderation? You're essentially performing lobotomy on the community making the dialogue monotonous.

What's left is just precise scientific and politically correct language void of emotion and subtext.

Let people speak their passions and their opinions.

Edit: Have anyone seen the movie Equilibrium? It's premised on a future dystopian society where displays of emotions are considered crimes. It's really scary and sad at the same time to see the type of cultural bleach that's going on with this mod team. Seems like every controvertible topic has to be sterilized because heaven forbid we express our conflicting view points and feelings.

I don't understand the social media policy of this site. Why even have forums if you're afraid of people freely and creatively exchanging ideas and opinions. Are you so shocked that language can be emotionally charged especially considering the traditional rivalry these products and companies have engendered? I don't get it.

BTW - Tor "Well I personally don't agree with the ban, or at least I think the guy you were arguing with continued it after Radish warned against it just like you did so he should be banned as well if that's the line in the sand we're drawing."

Don't want to throw him under the bus... because I'm using him because I agree with what he says. But again, he is saying Radish wasn't consistent. And that had to do with the difference between saying someone is trolling and is a troll. Which you have said saying someone is trolling is acceptable (and Kantor and Tor). But I'm getting moderated... which is one of my "11" bans. Its ridiculous and inconsistent.

axumblade said: Max King of the Wild said: Please tell me how my last ban was even justified. Read the posts I've quoted of Tor. How is it justified to warn someone for CORRECTLY using the english language. How is it justified to lock a thread when it's well known that I have some higher knowledge of the inner workings of retail? Then tell me how it's justified to mix your messages. Is it okay to say people are acting stupid or is it not? If it's okay then why ban me for similar things. If its not then why say it is? First of all, just because you work at Target, doesn't exactly give you insider information. I worked at Best Buy for 3 years and I didn't try to shove it in peoples faces the trends or sales because I realized that any information that I obtained was supposed to be confidential and anecdotal because it's a smaller part of the spectrum of sales than anything. I don't think Target, Walmart, Amazon or Best Buy any retailer give you the right to act like you are enlightened to some higher purpose or give you the right to pretend like your word is gospel.  Second, It's not okay to say people are acting stupid. You can prove them wrong but there is absolutely no reason to talk down to a user as though they are not an equal. And as for the Equilibrium statement, we are not forcing any opinion on the members of the site. We are perfectly fine with people voicing their opinions as long as they aren't insulting, trollish, or spam statements. This is a forum. I will not let this place deteriorate into a youtube or n4g state, where you are afraid of a person bullying you or making immature statements for no outright reason.

Did I act like my word was gospel? No. I simply made a post about work like I have done in the past and was accept and have a good track record of.

Okay then if it's not okay then tell me why no moderation was done to the individual when I reported and Kantor said it was okay when I messaged him? My point of your team being inconsistent still stands

Sucks you got banned for that. Hell, I just got a thread locked for saying the PS3 did make a comeback. So, I guess we can have only 1 comeback thread. But, the 3 threads that sprout up due to the that thread saying the PS3 didn't make a comeback are fine. That's mods for you.


from Max King of the Wild on 26 April 2013
I complained to auxumblade and he claimed I was the antagonizer. LOL. I copy and pasted all my comments before Slowmo joined the thread. All on point and on the subject and none lead to off topic shit storm. Slowmo calls Sony fans liars, I call him out on it, and I get banned. It was bullshit.

auxumblade didn't respond back to me when I showed him my comments compared to slowmo

from on 27 April 2013
That's just ridiculous. I guess it's off and on with them. Some days they seem fair and a little more forgiving. Some days they just have an itchy banhammer. Anyway, glad you're back


INCONSISTENT!

Different user messaged me on same ban.

Slowmo

from, to Max King of the Wild on 20 April 2013
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Btw, when I said "well put" to slowmo's post, I meant where he saw that I was attempting to reason with him. Anything he says regarding you is irrelevant to me, you have my respect already. :)


from Max King of the Wild on 20 April 2013
I wasn't worried. There are just some people that I'm not going to argue with and he's one of them. And if I do say something to those people I'm not going to do it with the respect I would with most people.

from on 20 April 2013
Makes sense.

"I see why you have an issue with it. It's kinda been one of those issues I need to address with the mods. Referring to the act or trolling and calling somebody a troll are two entirely different issues.

I personally wouldn't have moderated either of you. I'm going to talk to the other mods about the issue and I will probably end up unbanning you early, although technically, it was thread derailment on everybody's part, including superchunk, who I view as the initial instigator

I will leave a mark in your profile to not progress to the next stage of the progressive ban." - Auxumblade