No no no! its a bad idea cuz umm I didn't think of it! -.-


it could work but how will the sword swing be? I mean will link swing to where you touch or you have to move the sword from one side to the other? I don't remember the name of that game :P

do players really want to work their finger around uhm the screen? most people just want to push buttons so they lose the least amount of fat as possible *trollface*

You can bend the truth whichever way you like to fit your viewpoint, one such way is to fit the operation rainfall numbers with the potential Zelda buyers.

A more intelligent way of reading the data is to say that 10mil people bought TP, whereas 3.5Mil bought SS, so there are probably 6.5 mil peple out there who weren't interested in the game most likely for the reason Miyamoto stated. Otherwise, why think back on the idea if it was a success. Well, it was not a success basically for the reason I just stated, thereby showing that my case holds together.

Your approach is far-fetched at best.

Well, either Link swing where you point him to swing, or he swing in the same direction and maner as you pulled your finger across the screen. So, if you draged/pulled/swinged your finger from straight up to straight down, Link would swing his sword from up to down. If you draged your finger from left to right, link would swing his sword in the same direction - it would be like motion controll without the motion... controll... :P

Whether not gamers wanna drag their fingers across the touch screen, I don't know... but it's an option to Wiimotes :P another option would be holding L1 or L2 and pressing X would have Link swinging from up to down, holding L1/L2 and pressing A would have Link swing from right to left. Hold R1/R2 and pressing X would have Link swing diagonally from Left Up to Right DOwn. You get the point ;)

Well, either Link swing where you point him to swing, or he swing in the same direction and maner as you pulled your finger across the screen. So, if you draged/pulled/swinged your finger from straight up to straight down, Link would swing his sword from up to down. If you draged your finger from left to right, link would swing his sword in the same direction - it would be like motion controll without the motion... controll... :P

Whether not gamers wanna drag their fingers across the touch screen, I don't know... but it's an option to Wiimotes :P another option would be holding L1 or L2 and pressing X would have Link swinging from up to down, holding L1/L2 and pressing A would have Link swing from right to left. Hold R1/R2 and pressing X would have Link swing diagonally from Left Up to Right DOwn. You get the point ;)

Hahaha. Who's bending numbers here? Nintendo commented on Operation Rainfall (which got even fewer signatures than Moonfall, thanks for helping me prove my point), and then they basically said, 'no.' We got Xenoblade and The Last Story eventually, but both Nintendo and XSeed have pretty much admitted that Rainfall played little or no part in making that happen.

As for TP and SS, wow. I've heard that argument before, but not used so poorly. Motion controls may have been a factor in Skyward Sword's sales, but it was not the only factor. The ratio of TP Wii to SS sales is actually more in favor of SS than the ratio of OoT to MM sales is to MM. How about some unbent numbers -- no second Zelda game on a console has sold as well as the first. This does not apply only to NES, N64, GCN, and Wii, but also to GB(C), GBA, and DS.

There was so much at play in the sales of Skyward Sword -- TP was a launch title. Its high sales are a result of selling well for years. They were aided by the tremendous amount of software support the Wii had throughout those years, something Skyward doesn't have the benefit of at all. In fact, Skyward Sword was still tracking ahead of Twilight Princess Wii until just a few weeks ago. Wii sales plummeted, so SS sales did, too.

Where did I say it was the only factor? All I said is that it was THE reason Miyamoto said what he said, his quote was business driven, and so sales were interpreted to mean "it didn't fucking work guys, back to the drawing board". And what didn't work, clearly the main point of contention between Aonuma and Miyamoto: Motion+ Controls of the sword.

So, what's your answer now?

just one little point to add to this back and forth if you guys don't mind, just when you consider the numbers difference between Skyward sword and Twilight Princess for the Wii it could be worth noting that Twilight Princess for the Wii was the original method of hacking a Wii to be able to use homebrew and it was the only method for close to 8months, I personally owned Twilight Princess for the GC and was playing that before the game save hack was found, I bought the Wii version only to exploit this and I know a lot of other people done the same.

Like when you think of the sheer number of people who hacked their wii using that game.... there has to have been a number of those who had 0 interest in it outside of just that exploit.

Where did I say it was the only factor? All I said is that it was THE reason Miyamoto said what he said, his quote was business driven, and so sales were interpreted to mean "it didn't fucking work guys, back to the drawing board". And what didn't work, clearly the main point of contention between Aonuma and Miyamoto: Motion+ Controls of the sword.

So, what's your answer now?

"10mil people bought TP, whereas 3.5Mil bought SS, so there are probably 6.5 mil peple out there who weren't interested in the game most likely for the reason Miyamoto stated."

That is where you said it was the "most likely" factor. I don't know where you get "back to the drawing board" from. If I ignore all the parts of that statement I don't care about, I can make Miyamoto support my position, too:

"With the last game, Skyward Sword, that was a game where you had motion control to use your weapons and a lot of different items. And I thought that was a lot of fun... So we’re in the phase where we’re looking back at what’s worked very well and what has been missing and how can we evolve it further."

Reads a lot differently like that, huh? He's talking about "evolving it further," not going back to the drawing board.

just because Miyamota may have said that the controls cut out some people from playing the game, this doesn't just mean there are people who are bad at it, good deal of fans of zelda could be phsically impaired and not able to actually enjoy the game as it was intended to be played as a lot of people with phsical disabilitys love rpgs and mmorpgs as they are an escape from the life where they are not able to run around jump and swing a stick at fairies... unfortunatly for those gamers zelda SS requires them to do those things in real life to perform them in a game.

Some people are completely paralyzed to the point that they can't move their fingers enough to press buttons. Video games shouldn't require any physical input from the player because it alienates handicapped players.

The amount of "motion" required for Skyward Sword is very minimal, mostly in the wrists. It's okay to require players to use their thumbs, but not their wrists?