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oniyide on 01 September 2012

I hope they are more powerful than current gen, as i would want an actual generational leap and not that .5 thing they got going on with Wii and Wii U. No if the consoles are not that powerful then I would not want to buy them, but that goes the same for Wii U. "But, but the controller" if the WIi has taught me anything is that it doesnt matter how "cool" the controller is, if the games on the system mostly suck then it doesnt matter. No 3rd party games i can already play on systems i own is not going to entice me and the first party offering is just meh at this point. I will wait and see on all three of them and if they dont push it, then they all better be 250 or below or ill wait till it gets there.



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MDMAlliance on 01 September 2012
Andrespetmonkey said:


How much the Wii U sells for will be a bit reflective of how much it will cost to provide the system by the time it comes out

Just to clarify, here are you saying a higher price = probably better specs and vice versa? We already know the specs for the Wii U. Granted we don't know too much about the GPU, but it's rational to assume they'd be inline with it's RAM (1.5gb, though I've heard only 1gb is availiable to games I'll stick to 1.5gb) and CPU which is on-par or even sub-par to current gen consoles according to developers. Even if we assumed the GPU wasn't so far from durangorbis the CPU would still be a bit of a bottleneck and the RAM could be a huge bottleneck. 

 since they've pretty much said they'll be handling the Wii U like how they handled the price of the 3DS after the price cut.  So unless the Wii U sells between $249-300, then maybe selling at $400 will show a large enough difference in power if the other consoles release around 2013-2014 if they sell to "break even."  That's how it was related.

 

Also, selling at a $50 loss doesn't make the system THAT much more powerful.  A gpu that costs 100 and a gpu that costs 150 makes a world of difference, 4gb ram and 8gb ram is the same. But $50 is just adding to the cost. Let's say the Wii U is $300 (looking at the specs it's very unikely that it'll be higher than this and they will make a profit with this) at launch in 2012. Compare what you can do with $300 in 2012 (assuming they break even or a little less than that if they want to make profit on ahrdware out the gate) to $450 ($400 ps4) one year or a little more later. Big difference there, and that's with a relatively small loss on hardware, imagine Sony took a $100 loss? (which I think is more likely) or even $150? (less likely) That would surely blow the Wii U out of the water. I'm not arguing whether or not the PS4 will be more powerful than the Wii U since it's pretty much a given when Nintendo pretty much has made it their point that they aren't going for power while Sony's history would suggest they are more serious about providing power. However, in order to sell the PS4 cheap and provide a large enough gap between the PS4 and Wii U,  they will have to either wait a long time, or sell for more than just a $50 loss per system. 



Responding to your first response, no that wasn't what I was trying to say.  What I was trying to say is it would reflect how much it would cost to put out that much power, however much it costs.  We don't know the exact specs but we have a rough estimate of how much we believe it to be.  

 

To your second response, you're missing the point as "blowing out of the water" doesn't really say anything.  It's all relative from there.  What exactly does it mean?  Some people may not think that it is "blown out of the water" with the difference you can supply with $50-100.  There's also the fact with the "bottleneck" issue that just upgrading one part would create that bottleneck you're referring to.  So you would need to upgrade more parts than one to reduce the bottleneck effect.   Also, $300 in 2012 may be worth more than $300 in 2014 due to inflation, which I'm assuming maybe you took into factor but one or two years difference in technology isn't nearly that big to say that $300 in 2012 and $400 in 2013 makes the biggest difference.



HappySqurriel on 01 September 2012

Following up with my earlier comment, why are people so sure that more processing power will help the XBox 720 and PS4?

The DS was almost "a generation behind" the PSP, The 3DS is almost "a generation behind" the PS-Vita, and the Wii was almost "a generation behind" the HD consoles. The outcome of these "console wars" was determined more by which system launched first, was able to attract better third party support, and/or was a more affordable system with lower priced games.

Releasing a system 12 months (or more) after the Wii U, at a higher price, with games that take longer and cost more to develop does not seem like a good strategy for success given recent trends in gaming.



Mr Khan on 01 September 2012
HappySqurriel said:

Following up with my earlier comment, why are people so sure that more processing power will help the XBox 720 and PS4?

The DS was almost "a generation behind" the PSP, The 3DS is almost "a generation behind" the PS-Vita, and the Wii was almost "a generation behind" the HD consoles. The outcome of these "console wars" was determined more by which system launched first, was able to attract better third party support, and/or was a more affordable system with lower priced games.

Releasing a system 12 months (or more) after the Wii U, at a higher price, with games that take longer and cost more to develop does not seem like a good strategy for success given recent trends in gaming.

It's a silent acknowledgement of the 3rd party conspiracy. Everyone just knows the third parties will follow Sony and Microsoft down a financially ruinous path at the expense of all economic sense just as they have before, so long as they are indeed following Sony and Microsoft, and not Nintendo.



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Andrespetmonkey on 01 September 2012
MDMAlliance said:
Andrespetmonkey said:

Responding to your first response, no that wasn't what I was trying to say.  What I was trying to say is it would reflect how much it would cost to put out that much power, however much it costs. Yeah, that's what I thought you meant.  We don't know the exact specs but we have a rough estimate of how much we believe it to be. We know for sure it'll have 1.5gb RAM, we know for sure the CPU is IBM-made and made up of 3 power pc cores. We know the gpu is a custom amd series 7 card. So the RAM we know for sure, no exact specs on the CPU, but it has been said to be on-par to sub-par by various developers, no exact specs on the GPU, it's said to be great compared to PS360, but we're comparing to Orbirungo.

 

To your second response, you're missing the point as "blowing out of the water" doesn't really say anything.  It's all relative from there.  What exactly does it mean?  Some people may not think that it is "blown out of the water" with the difference you can supply with $50-100.  There's also the fact with the "bottleneck" issue that just upgrading one part would create that bottleneck you're referring to.  So you would need to upgrade more parts than one to reduce the bottleneck effect. Good point. But still, a gpu that'd be bottlenecked by 4gb ram would be a lot more powerful than a gpu not bottlenecked by 1.5gb, and more ram (4gb to 8gb) isn't really a bottleneck.  Also, $300 in 2012 may be worth more than $300 in 2014 due to inflation, which I'm assuming maybe you took into factor but one or two years difference in technology isn't nearly that big to say that $300 in 2012 and $400 in 2013 makes the biggest difference. I said 300-450/500/maybe even 550, (assuming ninty breaks even, sony takes loss). And the difference is significant. A gtx 550 last march costs $150, this march it cost $100. That's 2 thirds the original price. I'll be generous and say next years prices will only go down to 3/4 of its original price. That leaves sony with 1/4 cheaper parts for the same power and an extra $150 to spend. Now I'm gonna go a little off topic next so I don't want to post it here, can I PM you?





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UltimateUnknown on 01 September 2012

Of course 720/PS4 are going to be much more powerful than 360/PS3, which is what the Wii U seems to be on par with, maybe a bit better.

Why would MS/Sony release a new console if it is not significantly more powerful than the previous iteration. Consumers aren't going to pay big money to buy new consoles which are only just a "little" better. If anyone thinks otherwise, they need to seriously lay off those hallucinogens they are on.



 

HappySqurriel on 01 September 2012
Mr Khan said:
HappySqurriel said:

Following up with my earlier comment, why are people so sure that more processing power will help the XBox 720 and PS4?

The DS was almost "a generation behind" the PSP, The 3DS is almost "a generation behind" the PS-Vita, and the Wii was almost "a generation behind" the HD consoles. The outcome of these "console wars" was determined more by which system launched first, was able to attract better third party support, and/or was a more affordable system with lower priced games.

Releasing a system 12 months (or more) after the Wii U, at a higher price, with games that take longer and cost more to develop does not seem like a good strategy for success given recent trends in gaming.

It's a silent acknowledgement of the 3rd party conspiracy. Everyone just knows the third parties will follow Sony and Microsoft down a financially ruinous path at the expense of all economic sense just as they have before, so long as they are indeed following Sony and Microsoft, and not Nintendo.

Like all cartels, the "conspiracy" against Nintendo can only survive as long as no third party publishers choose their own profitability over the profitability of the group ...



binary solo on 01 September 2012

Dang! was hoping a link to an article about tech specs being leaked about PS4/720. And all we get is some rant from a Ninty fan about how gfx are MS and Sony's only weapon in the nexgen warz.

Lame is lame.



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binary solo on 01 September 2012

Dang! was hoping a link to an article about tech specs being leaked about PS4/720. And all we get is some rant from a Ninty fan about how gfx are MS and Sony's only weapon in the nexgen warz.

Lame is lame.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix

 

binary solo on 01 September 2012

Dang! was hoping a link to an article about tech specs being leaked about PS4/720. And all we get is some rant from a Ninty fan about how gfx are MS and Sony's only weapon in the nexgen warz.

Lame is lame.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix