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I can't believe people are attacking SONY fans over this, some of which are very personal and almost worthy of a ban. If you're resorting to personal attacks just because some people are criticising your preferred company then you're no better than the people you're calling out. This thread made front page whether Microsoft fans like it or not, everyone has the right to post in here.

“We’re always looking at ways to push the boundaries of the console and our digital platform. Bringing true free-to-play gaming experiences to Xbox 360 is a natural extension of that.”

This line was an invitation for criticism, it's deceptive and arrogant to tout these games as "true free-to-play" when they're still charging £40 a year to access them.



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oniyide said:
D-Joe said:

Ah look,another wave,this time even with words words words

Finally i know why 2ch call sony fans are ________(i can't say the word or i will get banned forever)


instead of complaining and making comments that arent really adding to the thread, how about you make a statement refuting what the other people are saying?? ive yet to hear a compelling argument for MS calling it F2P, and no "but SOny games arent free to play because you have to buy PS3" isnt a compelling argument cause that has nothing to do with xbox, and that would still be wrong because there are some PC games they made that are F2P(freerealms, DCUniverse)

did i say anything about PC game?and i say PS3 game

according to their logic nothing is f2p,only hide and seek is(someone already said that in page 2 or 3 or 4,forget)

and i'm telling you if this thread is first time they do that,then idon't even reply it.but it's not,i'm not surprised it actually already over fucking 50times

everyday what they're doing is ruining every MS thread they saw(do reply me "you too",I'M NOT DOING THE SAME THING IN SONY THREAD,MY LAST TIME IN SONY DISCUSSION was almost one month ago,and it's about financial)

yeah,i can't stop you people do this,but i can stop myself reply you people anymore



D-Joe said:
oniyide said:
D-Joe said:

Ah look,another wave,this time even with words words words

Finally i know why 2ch call sony fans are ________(i can't say the word or i will get banned forever)


instead of complaining and making comments that arent really adding to the thread, how about you make a statement refuting what the other people are saying?? ive yet to hear a compelling argument for MS calling it F2P, and no "but SOny games arent free to play because you have to buy PS3" isnt a compelling argument cause that has nothing to do with xbox, and that would still be wrong because there are some PC games they made that are F2P(freerealms, DCUniverse)

did i say anything about PC game?and i say PS3 game

according to their logic nothing is f2p,only hide and seek is(someone already said that in page 2 or 3 or 4,forget)

and i'm telling you if this thread is first time they do that,then idon't even reply it.but it's not,i'm not surprised it actually already over fucking 50times

everyday what they're doing is ruining every MS thread they saw(do reply me "you too",I'M NOT DOING THE SAME THING IN SONY THREAD,MY LAST TIME IN SONY DISCUSSION was almost one month ago,and it's about financial)

yeah,i can't stop you people do this,but i can stop myself reply you people anymore

ok man, even though people already gave examples of SOE games that are free to play, that require no kind of subscription and even though some of those games are available on PC as well, and even though you still havent given an argument as to why they are wrong in regards to the subject of the thread, have a nice day.

Your last sentence made no sense BTW



D-Joe said:
JOKA_ said:
kowenicki said:

Sony fans in like a flash to talk down again.... so those games you all get free on PSN+ and go on and on and on and on about aren't free after all then?

Just so long as we have cleared that up.

 

OT.  Interested but we shall see how it goes.  Not a fan of Pay to Win gaming, i assume thats what this is? microtransactions?


I totally agree that the PSN+ "free" games are in fact not free to play...

...but Dust 514 and DC Universe Online are completey 100% free to play with no PSN+ required

 

OT: I kind of covered it in my above statement, but its not quite free to play if there is a subscription involved.  Do you think they will eventually truly embrace f2p and let silver accounts download?

So i can buy a PS3 or use Internet service(Broadband) for free?

 

It's pretty funny you guys already ruined the thread but still have so many crap reason to reply,why don't just say "i'm coming to ruin the thread"?many people will support you,don't need to be worry,since you guys play forums,not games

Oh come on, If you go by that definition then there is no such thing as a free-to-play video game.  Of course you need to buy a system to play it on.

It pretty much comes down to this: 

PS3/PC/mobile: Hardware + internet connection = download and play F2P games 

Xbox 360: Hardware + internet connection + gold subscription = download and play F2P games



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NiKKoM said:
So.. any gameplay video's of the 2 games?



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Kresnik said:

Well, firstly I'm sorry for the few Microsoft fans around here that this thread got derailed so quickly. It's never nice for fans of any group to have that happen.

Can I just clarify as a Sony fan, though: PS+ is in no way "free games". They are "excellent value for money rentals", but they're certainly not free. So your comparison there is justified. What these games should be compared to, however, are the actual F2P games on PS3. Namely DCUO (at the moment) and Dust 514 (coming soon), and any of the Playstation Home games. You simply need the console & an internet connection to play them - nothing else, and in that respect there is an extra charge for playing Microsoft's versions.

Of course, this brings up a whole other debate. Is anything really "free to play" when you have to invest in the hardware and have paid for an internet connection (mostly, perhaps you could take your console to a wi-fi enabled cafe with a TV and download them from there). Perhaps it would be better if they would be called something else, because "free" isn't necessarily true. If Microsoft's games are "Cheap to Play", then the PS3 games would be "Even cheaper to play".

Kowenicki's replies gave me a chuckle though, so thanks for that.

Can you talk to Sony?  Reality is that Sony and Microsoft apparently have different definition of free than people on here want to argue about.  And yes, this talk here has caused PS+ talk to be all about free games.  

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/07/02/new-games-coming-to-playstation-plus-instant-game-collection/

Posted by Morgan Haro // Community Manager, PlayStation Digital Platforms

Last month we gave all PlayStation Plus members an Instant Game Collection that included 12 full PS3 and PSN games, and it’s been a resounding hit with gamers everywhere! This month, we’re continuing the free game goodness by bringing three new titles to your collection in PlayStation Plus.

Break out the fireworks for the July 3rd PlayStation Store update, where PlayStation Plus members will be able to download Gotham City Impostors, Pac-Man Championship Edition DX, and Renegade Ops for FREE!



JOKA_ said:
D-Joe said:
JOKA_ said:
kowenicki said:

Sony fans in like a flash to talk down again.... so those games you all get free on PSN+ and go on and on and on and on about aren't free after all then?

Just so long as we have cleared that up.

 

OT.  Interested but we shall see how it goes.  Not a fan of Pay to Win gaming, i assume thats what this is? microtransactions?


I totally agree that the PSN+ "free" games are in fact not free to play...

...but Dust 514 and DC Universe Online are completey 100% free to play with no PSN+ required

 

OT: I kind of covered it in my above statement, but its not quite free to play if there is a subscription involved.  Do you think they will eventually truly embrace f2p and let silver accounts download?

So i can buy a PS3 or use Internet service(Broadband) for free?

 

It's pretty funny you guys already ruined the thread but still have so many crap reason to reply,why don't just say "i'm coming to ruin the thread"?many people will support you,don't need to be worry,since you guys play forums,not games

Oh come on, If you go by that definition then there is no such thing as a free-to-play video game.  Of course you need to buy a system to play it on.

It pretty much comes down to this: 

PS3/PC/mobile: Hardware + internet connection = download and play F2P games 

Xbox 360: Hardware + internet connection + gold subscription = download and play F2P games

Yes,according you people's logic there should be no f2p games,only hide and seek is,but since you people made the standard of f2p games(at least in here),What you need is just say "I say it's not f2p,and it's not f2p",no need other words,the same peoples will automatic support you



oniyide said:
D-Joe said:
oniyide said:
D-Joe said:

Ah look,another wave,this time even with words words words

Finally i know why 2ch call sony fans are ________(i can't say the word or i will get banned forever)


instead of complaining and making comments that arent really adding to the thread, how about you make a statement refuting what the other people are saying?? ive yet to hear a compelling argument for MS calling it F2P, and no "but SOny games arent free to play because you have to buy PS3" isnt a compelling argument cause that has nothing to do with xbox, and that would still be wrong because there are some PC games they made that are F2P(freerealms, DCUniverse)

did i say anything about PC game?and i say PS3 game

according to their logic nothing is f2p,only hide and seek is(someone already said that in page 2 or 3 or 4,forget)

and i'm telling you if this thread is first time they do that,then idon't even reply it.but it's not,i'm not surprised it actually already over fucking 50times

everyday what they're doing is ruining every MS thread they saw(do reply me "you too",I'M NOT DOING THE SAME THING IN SONY THREAD,MY LAST TIME IN SONY DISCUSSION was almost one month ago,and it's about financial)

yeah,i can't stop you people do this,but i can stop myself reply you people anymore

ok man, even though people already gave examples of SOE games that are free to play, that require no kind of subscription and even though some of those games are available on PC as well, and even though you still havent given an argument as to why they are wrong in regards to the subject of the thread, have a nice day.

Your last sentence made no sense BTW

nono,i don't need to,do what you want,everything you people say is right(whatever it is),i don't need to care anymore

Finally i understand seece,bye



See,put same reason again,even it already discussed,and i say again,if this is you people first time ruin the thread then i don't even care,but no,you people doing this again and again and again,i bet it already over 50 times...every fucking time,when i click in a MS discussion thread,90%+ first few reply must be same negative words...but whatever,you people made the standard,you like it.Oh but don't worry,i won't do the same thing.and of course,i won't care what you people doing ...yeah for me,this thread not about f2p or not anymore,it's over 2 years,i think my patience is going to zero.

And of course i know,i'm here in that day,but do you think he leave for only one reason?He didn't say it doesn't mean he never feel it.

Like kowen said in few months ago,it just isn't the same anymore(i don't care why he said that,but it fit to me)



NobleTeam360 said:
kitler53 said:
kowenicki said:

Sony fans in like a flash to talk down again.... so those games you all get free on PSN+ and go on and on and on and on about aren't free after all then?

Just so long as we have cleared that up.

 

OT.  Interested but we shall see how it goes.  Not a fan of Pay to Win gaming, i assume thats what this is? microtransactions?


the games provided by psn+ have never been marketed at free-to-play.  but when sony does have a free-to-play game like dust 541 or treasure of montezuma blitz ... they are indeed actually free to play.

just so long as we have cleared that up.

But aren't those games advertised as free? Technically they aren't free since you have to keep paying for PS+ to keep the games.

Just so long as we have cleared that up.


You dont have to pay to play DC online on PSN, but you can just like PC. The same goes for M.A.G. and I believe Dust will be Free to Play as well. The choice is pretty much yours. PSN Plus is the equivalent of what would be considered "Platinum" tier on Xbox Live, not Gold either. The point of Plus is that your $50 a year gives you major discounts on indy games (which you can keep), full games, dynamic themes, 60 minute demos and much more. The free aspect allows you to play whatever is free without shedding cash on the full cost of the game. You could play essentially a $1000's worth of games on PSN with that $50 annual price. You keep your achievements and if I stop playing the game at least I got the experience. Why should I keep every free game when I am paying $50 a year? Consider it more like a rental service that allows access for an annual fee. Can you do this on Xbox Live? No. Xbox Live Gold forces you to pay for anything that matters outside of some demos and singleplayer, even your own damn Netflix and Hulu accounts that you already pay for.