Unfortunatately No More Heroes stylized presentation probably won't appeal to the mainstream Wii audience. While I'm personally interested I doubt this title will see good sales. Hope I'm wrong.

Developers aren't the problem here, it's the publishers. They don't really understand what to put on Wii, aren't willing to shell out big money to have a highly polished game made - because they assume it'd get smoked by whatever Nintendo puts out anyway (possibly a false assumption but pervasive nevertheless), so they rather stick to something rather risk-free. Until someone takes a chance and proves this line of thinking wrong, it'll probably continue.

C'mon... We all know the game is gonna do a Zack and Wiki in the US... It's called 'Lack of Marketing'. Btw... The game is a nichegame... (Resulting in becoming a culthit...)

^yeah you are right but thats still there fault for not advertising it and not nintys or ours

I've got no sympathy at all for 3rd party publishers. It's lack of advertising plain and simple. The only 3rd party games I've seen advertised are Red Steel and Rayman Raving Rabbids and they've both sold well. There's really no excuse as internet and TV advertising are incredibly cheap (here in the UK at least).

Madden and MoH:H2 come to mind.  Madden is profittable but definately below-par for sales vs other systems.  Not the greatest Madden ever, but well reviewed and fun.   MoH:H2 big franchise (MoH), great reviews, popular genre - poor sales.

I also disagree popular IP will have much effect.  I think a lot of Wii owners either A) Never cared about most of the 'popular' franchises in the first place (I myself fall in this group) or B) Are new to gaming and only know the Mario, Sonics and Master Chiefs of the world.  And MC is debatable for the average Joe.   Instead I'd suggest a highly known franchise like Star Wars, D&D or James Bond might get more sales than Call of Duty or DMC or Ninja Gaiden (sp?) on Wii.  Come to think of it, I wonder if the movies have helped RE4 / RE:UC sales on Wii....

^well MOH even sold poorly on 360 considering they buy so much software and the userbase is bigger in US then wiis

yeah they think the game will sell well just because its on a console with a high userbase

I find it rediculous that people keep brigning up Mario Party 8 as a an example of what is wrong. It shows publishers that games with intuitve controls,expierience that can be shared with friends are a good thing. Now some people will argue that it just incourages more party games. There certianly is room for some 3rd parties in that market. Rayman has sold 1.3 million and has a weaker multi-player component(although a much better overall game). But just like WiiSports didn't mean everyone should make sports games, it doesn't mean there should only be party games. They need to make "fun"games. Games you can play for 30 minutes and put down, games you can play everyday for a year.

I just laugh at developers who say they can't compete with Nintendo. All they are saying is they do not have the talent to make a game as well as Nintendo does. NonNintendo games don't cost more. There is no build in hardware to make Nintendo games look better. They are not the only ones with massive IPs. It is just laziness. Playstation devlopment was the same for over a decade. The 360 is like programming for a PC which people have been doing even longer. They both use analog controllers and aren't trying to takle the gaming audience in a new way.

But they will wise up. A slightly higher attach rate didn't help the 360 for long and now Wii software outsells it every week. Imagine how big the difference is going ot be when the Wii double the 360s sales. There will be plenty of profit for everyone. And right now it is lookin like Capcom and Ubisoft will be the big winners.

What I want to know is when the first really major 3rd party title will hit the Wii. I am talking about a big studio with their #1 team and a huge budget. That might be Red Steel 2 if Ubisoft really has dedied to "make Nintendo Quality titles".

What 3rd parties really need to do is go after teh new controls. Nintendo hasn't done much with them since WiiSports(Excpet for MP3 showing dominant FPS controls). Games liek Zack & Wiki are a start but so much is waiting.

True that.  But I think CoD4 blew MoH:Airborne out of the water on 360/PS3 whereas it had no competition at all on Wii and I mean no competition, it's still the only FPS online.

Well, I agree on Madden, but not MoH:H2. It was popular on the PSP, but MoH hardly has stellar sales, and was in a steady decline since the first one. It's also a ridiculously oversaturated genre (WWII shooters) even on the Wii, and at the rate that they are shoveling out (bad) MoH titles it's not surprising that it's getting overlooked. It also wasn't reviewed very well outside of IGN...