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lilbroex on 25 August 2012
zarx said:

Assassin's Creed 3 Wii U is starting to sound like a really bad port

"Well get this: Assassin's Creed III is up and running on the Wii U. I watched a PR rep play the Battle of Chesapeake Bay section (the one with the ships from E3) and was initially impressed. Dynamic shadows and wave effects make for a very organic game world. It's busy, dramatic… the console runs it with relative ease. At least on first glance…

 

The bad news: The PS3 version was playing beside it – and the difference is night and day. Right now, PS3's version of Assassin's Creed III is, simply put, better. Even gamers without my robot eyes would be able to see the difference.

Smoother edges, better frame-rate, more detailed textures… it's akin to the kind of difference we used to see in multiplatform games when the PS3 version would look shaky in comparison to Xbox 360 release. It could change before release of course, but that's how it is right now."

http://www.gamesradar.com/wii-u-good-news-and-bad-news-after-more-quality-time-nintendos-new-console-gamescom/

So much for 1080p 60fps, it sounds like it's currently strugling to match 30fps @ 720p.

That is completely bogus. Every comfirmation says the Wii U version is way better.

http://nintendoeverything.com/95612/satterfield-assassins-creed-iii-looks-best-on-wii-u-talk-of-unannouncedpotential-launch-game/

http://kotaku.com/5917583/does-assassins-creed-iii-look-better-on-ps3-or-wii-u

 

 

That review you posted sounds like a fanboy review because they put up a single picture of AC3 for the PS3 and said it looks better than the Wii U version without putting up any Wii U pictures to compare it to.

The Wii U version was running at a higher frame rate and resolution at E3. Side by side. All visual reports state that it peforms better and has better graphics. I don't know where you go that from.

You can confirm it with your own eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA77Ida_ITw

 

 

PS3 on left, wii U on right

http://www.abload.de/img/assassinscreediiiverg3heic.png
http://www.abload.de/img/assassinscreediiivergmeeym.png
http://www.abload.de/img/assassinscreediiivergpacka.png
http://www.abload.de/img/assassinscreediiiverg3ciid.png
http://www.abload.de/img/assassinscreediiiverg2zd2u.png

Note that the PS3 versions are a "direct feed", so they were captured with pixel perfect accuracy while the Wii U version was offscreen and subject to quality loss through the camera capturing it. The Wii U version still looks miles better.



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oniyide on 25 August 2012
Kenology said:
Crono141 said:

The PS1 to PS2 difference was, lets be honest, more polygons, higher res textures.  SNES to NES: more sprites, more colors, higher res.  Tech was much more limiting back then than it is now.  And I don't know the "finances", but I do know the market and in this economy no one is going to buy a console that costs over 400 dollars.  At least, not enough to get yourself an install base.  What is the difference betwee Wii and WiiU?  High definition, more polygons, higher res textures, better shader effects.  Whats going to be the difference between PS3 and PS4?  The models on PS3 games already look spectacular, so increasing the polygon count isn't going to buy you much more visual fidelity.  Increasing the texture resolution?  Its already in HD, anything higher is a waste of resources since TVs can't display anything higher.  Better shader tech?  Yeah, that's probably about it.  You'll get the edges of eye candy to improve, and little else.

Unless they want to bring everything into 4k.  In which case cost is going to go well beyond 400 dollars, software development costs (already measured in the 10s of millions) is going to skyrocket, and most devs will decide it isn't worth the effort for the added costs.  Just more units they have to sell in order to be profitable.

You see, it doesn't matter if PS4 or Durango come out with something 20X more powerful than the WiiU.  Developers aren't going to commit the kind of resources it would need to in order to take advantage of that hardware, because at the end of the day you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference in the living room.

Nintendo has made the smart move.  And I think Sony and Microsoft will follow suit.


This is a great post.  It summarizes exactly what I've been telling oniyide and pezus in other threads the past couple of week.  If and when PS4 is reveiled to not be a huge generational leap like they're expecting, I really want to see if the two of them suddenly do an about face and embrace this new strategy of minimal next-gen leaps all of a sudden.  Will be interesting to see. 

First off I never said it need to be a huge generational leap, not like PS2-3, something more traditional like PS1-2, or N64-GC will suffice as that has been the norm for most years, and I see no reason why the latter cant be done especially if these consoles are not coming out anytime soon. 

2nd if MS or SOny cant even manage that i'll simply wont buy those consoles, Im not going to pay hundreds of dollars for something that is only a little better than what i already have, that goes for WiiU, 720 and PS4. 



oniyide on 25 August 2012

I like how Room414 post was ignored, apparently their are conflicting reports about what the next gen consoles can actually do, but they are choosing to ignore the positive news in lieu of the negative. Not so much different from the WiiU "haters"



archbrix on 25 August 2012
room414 said:
archbrix said:

@bolded

Based on what Epic has said as recently as May, what he suggests isn't incredibly far off:

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps4-news/27.html

Epic also basically said at Comicon (when they debuted Fortnite) that the true graphics enthusiasts are going to be gaming on their PCs next gen. 

Microsoft and Sony could still "up" their specs a bit, and we know that Durango and Orbis will be more powerful than WiiU, but in order to fully dwarf the WiiU next gen, you're talking expensive boxes that would generate a lot of heat.  And I think Microsoft and Sony know this.

Microsoft seems more focused on making a multimedia hub for the living room than pushing for cutting-edge power, and Sony is in no position to pull another PS3 situation this time around.



Yeah, there're developers working on games for WiiU that say the system is plenty powerful as well...

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/gaming/consoles/wii-u-is-definitely-more-powerful-than-xbox-360-and-ps3-1089005

Epic actually builds the engines that take advantage of the hardware.  Hearing Remedy say positives things is nice, but is to be expected to get people excited for the game they're working on.  Epic has more invested in hardware specs meeting the requirements to fully show off what UE4 can do, and so far, the Durango and Orbis specs aren't able to hit that pinnacle mark now. 

I'm not saying the Durango and Orbis won't have great graphics - I think they will... and better than WiiU - but unless you think they're going to sell $600 loss-inducing boxes with cooling systems in them, I wouldn't expect to see another Wii to PS360 gap this time.  Sony simply can't afford the gamble and Microsoft has no incentive to when the masses will be content with "great" graphics as opposed to "the absolute best possible", to say nothing of the one single undeniable factor of high development costs for companies to fully take advantage of top tier hardware.

Another article that was updated since the video:

"Either way, the inclusion of AMD 7000 series graphics would put the new Xbox on a par with the current rumoured specs of the Sony PS4 which is in turn expected to also contain AMD Southern Islands graphics as well as an AMD x86 CPU.  It would put the two consoles on level footing in terms of performance as they will essentially contain the same hardware, though by the time they actually go on sale they would to be hopelessly out of date compared to modern PCs.  Are we really to believe that the 'next generation' of games consoles would essentially be out of date mini AMD PCs, with just the operating systems and scale of fun-sucking DRM the only levels of differentiation? We can't see that being the case, and a report in April 2012 suggests that Microsoft does indeed have something more exciting up its sleeve."

Again, Microsoft is focusing on more than just having the most powerful specs available.

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/gaming/consoles/xbox-720-release-date-news-and-rumours-937167



archbrix on 25 August 2012
oniyide said:
I like how Room414 post was ignored, apparently their are conflicting reports about what the next gen consoles can actually do, but they are choosing to ignore the positive news in lieu of the negative. Not so much different from the WiiU "haters"

Actually, I just responded to him... patience is a virtue.

Regarding your last response to me, of course graphics enthusiasts have always gravitated toward PC.  My point is as much as you're quick to exclaim that WiiU fans should keep their expectations in check, I think you'd be wise to do the same regarding Durango and Orbis as far as power.



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oniyide on 25 August 2012
archbrix said:
oniyide said:
I like how Room414 post was ignored, apparently their are conflicting reports about what the next gen consoles can actually do, but they are choosing to ignore the positive news in lieu of the negative. Not so much different from the WiiU "haters"

Actually, I just responded to him... patience is a virtue.

Regarding your last response to me, of course graphics enthusiasts have always gravitated toward PC.  My point is as much as you're quick to exclaim that WiiU fans should keep their expectations in check, I think you'd be wise to do the same regarding Durango and Orbis as far as power.


From what ive seen the WIi U is not a generational leap like past consoels was, thats why I said what I said. As for PS4/720, every system those companies have put out have been generational leaps over the predecessors. So I have no reason to believe now would be different, thats just my opinion.  I cant say the same for NINty, ok yes Wii was one console, but it was successful and i have no reason to believe they wont try to replicate that success. thats just me.



archbrix on 25 August 2012
oniyide said:
archbrix said:
oniyide said:
I like how Room414 post was ignored, apparently their are conflicting reports about what the next gen consoles can actually do, but they are choosing to ignore the positive news in lieu of the negative. Not so much different from the WiiU "haters"

Actually, I just responded to him... patience is a virtue.

Regarding your last response to me, of course graphics enthusiasts have always gravitated toward PC.  My point is as much as you're quick to exclaim that WiiU fans should keep their expectations in check, I think you'd be wise to do the same regarding Durango and Orbis as far as power.


From what ive seen the WIi U is not a generational leap like past consoels was, thats why I said what I said. As for PS4/720, every system those companies have put out have been generational leaps over the predecessors. So I have no reason to believe now would be different, thats just my opinion.  I cant say the same for NINty, ok yes Wii was one console, but it was successful and i have no reason to believe they wont try to replicate that success. thats just me.

Sure, but you have to realize that Microsoft and Sony went very, very powerful for the 7th gen with consoles that were very expensive, and incurred big losses.  In the case of the 360, things worked out nicely for them.  In the case of PS3, it didn't.  Every generation we see more and more power needed for less and less reward.  It's not even so much about their mentality, but what is reasonably possible.  Heat alone would make Durango and Orbis expensive, "near-PC towers with cooling systems" sitting there in your living room if they went with that kind of power.  Why would either company go that route when the masses are still content with PS360 graphics?  For Nintendo, it makes sense to update their console to "current" HD level power.  But for Microsoft and Sony, I think originality and innovation are what is going to make the masses see a need to upgrade, and that doesn't mean that we can't get some mighty fine graphics from them in the process.  It just means that I expect all three consoles to be close enough to be able to share the same multiplats, unlike this generation.



DieAppleDie on 25 August 2012

"....it merely rivals games of the 360's launch and early years."

you went too far dude

early Xbox 360 games barely looked better than best looking GC games (SW:RS, RE4...) other than resolution and shader effects



DieAppleDie on 25 August 2012

well it does reflect so when you highlight that statement....:P
when if you actually watched footage of the game (im sure you did) and you played early Xbox360 games (also did) and played best looking GC games (this i dont know)
you would have called this BS



DieAppleDie on 25 August 2012

cool bro ;)