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lilbroex said:
zarx said:

Assassin's Creed 3 Wii U is starting to sound like a really bad port

"Well get this: Assassin's Creed III is up and running on the Wii U. I watched a PR rep play the Battle of Chesapeake Bay section (the one with the ships from E3) and was initially impressed. Dynamic shadows and wave effects make for a very organic game world. It's busy, dramatic… the console runs it with relative ease. At least on first glance…

 

The bad news: The PS3 version was playing beside it – and the difference is night and day. Right now, PS3's version of Assassin's Creed III is, simply put, better. Even gamers without my robot eyes would be able to see the difference.

Smoother edges, better frame-rate, more detailed textures… it's akin to the kind of difference we used to see in multiplatform games when the PS3 version would look shaky in comparison to Xbox 360 release. It could change before release of course, but that's how it is right now."

http://www.gamesradar.com/wii-u-good-news-and-bad-news-after-more-quality-time-nintendos-new-console-gamescom/

So much for 1080p 60fps, it sounds like it's currently strugling to match 30fps @ 720p.

That is completely bogus. Every comfirmation says the Wii U version is way better.

http://nintendoeverything.com/95612/satterfield-assassins-creed-iii-looks-best-on-wii-u-talk-of-unannouncedpotential-launch-game/

http://kotaku.com/5917583/does-assassins-creed-iii-look-better-on-ps3-or-wii-u

 

 

That review you posted sounds like a fanboy review because they put up a single picture of AC3 for the PS3 and said it looks better than the Wii U version without putting up any Wii U pictures to compare it to.

The Wii U version was running at a higher frame rate and resolution at E3. Side by side. All visual reports state that it peforms better and has better graphics. I don't know where you go that from.

You can confirm it with your own eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA77Ida_ITw

 

 

PS3 on left, wii U on right

http://www.abload.de/img/assassinscreediiiverg3heic.png
http://www.abload.de/img/assassinscreediiivergmeeym.png
http://www.abload.de/img/assassinscreediiivergpacka.png
http://www.abload.de/img/assassinscreediiiverg3ciid.png
http://www.abload.de/img/assassinscreediiiverg2zd2u.png

Note that the PS3 versions are a "direct feed", so they were captured with pixel perfect accuracy while the Wii U version was offscreen and subject to quality loss through the camera capturing it. The Wii U version still looks miles better.


your ps3 direct feed stuff looks like ps2^^  not really a great video and pictures out of that video to compare both versions. ps3 version looks like crap and wii u version looks like better crap.

now i could say what ubisofts lead game designer steven masters said at gamescom to probably germany's biggest magazine for pc and electronics "computer bild" but i bet they are also only fanboys not saying what the lead game designer really said and showed them. you know what he said? wii u version will have little bit lower frame rate...

so, it's not only that fanboy preview saying it, even ubisoft lead game designer said the framerate won't be higher, hell he said it will be lower! maybe this will change till release but that's what was the fact at gamescom out of steven masters mouth

http://www.computerbild.de/artikel/cbs-Vorschau-PC-assassins-creed-3-xbox-360-ps3-wii-u-preview-gamescom-7700744.html



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should we feel bad about this?
Assassins creed looks kind of ok to me, but I just hope Ubisoft dont complain when their games dont sell more copies...



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crissindahouse said:


your ps3 direct feed stuff looks like ps2^^  not really a great video and pictures out of that video to compare both versions. ps3 version looks like crap and wii u version looks like better crap.

now i could say what ubisofts lead game designer steven masters said at gamescom to probably germany's biggest magazine for pc and electronics "computer bild" but i bet they are also only fanboys not saying what the lead game designer really said and showed them. you know what he said? wii u version will have little bit lower frame rate...

so, it's not only that fanboy preview saying it, even ubisoft lead game designer said the framerate won't be higher, hell he said it will be lower! maybe this will change till release but that's what was the fact at gamescom out of steven masters mouth

http://www.computerbild.de/artikel/cbs-Vorschau-PC-assassins-creed-3-xbox-360-ps3-wii-u-preview-gamescom-7700744.html

That contradicts all eyewitness appeals and interviews.


"Your" ps3 feed? Its not mine, its theirs. "Their" own PS3 feed that you can look at in mulitple places. They are the ones who presented the video, in full HD no less. That is how the PS3 version looks. Sounds like a dev that doesn't know his own work, unless  its not his own work. I can't read German but if what you say is what that article says then it is saying something quite fallacious.

I've never heard a report saying that the Wii U versoin would run at a lower framerate than the PS3 version because it runs at 30 FPS. That would be running below playable standards. Nothing you just said makes any sense. You post an article in another langue and then claim it says ridiculous things. Given the medias fixation on bad news about the WIi U, why have these comments never been reported elsewhere?

I will take what I have observed with my own eyes and what unbiased proffesionals have observed and said. I have provided visual evidence to back my claims. Where is yours?



Meh. Pass.

Won't be buying unless it's better than the 360/PS3.

No iffy-wishy-washy maybes. It has to be dead even or better, period, no excuses.

I don't care about screenshots. All the particle effects and what not that are in the PS3/360 better be in the Wii U version otherwise no sale Ubi Soft. If they're not, well their programmers got six-seven weeks to figure this sh*t out, otherwise no thanks. 

I think sadly, a lot of these multi-plats on Wii U are going to bomb badly and then the publishers are going to say "see? We can't sell on Wii U. Cya later.".



Soundwave said:

Meh. Pass.

Won't be buying unless it's better than the 360/PS3.

No iffy-wishy-washy maybes. It has to be dead even or better, period, no excuses.

I don't care about screenshots. All the particle effects and what not that are in the PS3/360 better be in the Wii U version otherwise no sale Ubi Soft. If they're not, well their programmers got six-seven weeks to figure this sh*t out, otherwise no thanks. 

I think sadly, a lot of these multi-plats on Wii U are going to bomb badly and then the publishers are going to say "see? We can't sell on Wii U. Cya later.".

AC is a multi-million selling franchise, Batman has already sold more than six mil between PS360 alone, of course Wii U versions probably wont reach those numbers, but I think they will be fine, what would be your defintion of bombing anyway?



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crissindahouse said:


your ps3 direct feed stuff looks like ps2^^  not really a great video and pictures out of that video to compare both versions. ps3 version looks like crap and wii u version looks like better crap.

Wich says enough given that one is direct feed and the other isnt. Yet the differece are notorius in textures in both detail and crispness.

Also would like a link to the whole interview, wonder if he is talking about the end version or just the demo units.



lilbroex said:

That is completely bogus. Every comfirmation says the Wii U version is way better.


A bad capture vs off screen both from a bad quality streaming video is a worthless comparison. And as much as I like shane his opinions on graphics have been worthless ever since he argued that CoD4 looked better than Crysis. The sources for 1080p from what I have seen are from a Nintendo fan site that in the same article said that the Wii U version would be "60fps like the PS3/360 version" which means they are full of shit as the PS360 versions are both 30fps, and the other is a forum post on GameFAQs which claims that Nintendo PR reps told him that AC3 and Batman: AC are both "True HD" which he took to mean they were 1080p native, which is stupid because PR reps don't usually know technical details on games unless they are marketing points.

The only official word is the one in your OP

" the Wii U version will be missing some technical features that are available on the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. Because the developer didn’t have enough time to properly port Assassin’s Creed 3 Wii U to Nintendo’s new console, the game won’t include some of the lighting and particle effects present in other versions."

"Masters says that the Wii U version is “99% identical” to the other consoles."

Which basically shows that Kotaku are full of shit as well as they claimed that the lighting was better on Wii U. 

And also from your OP "Assassin’s Creed 3 was playable at GamesCom both on the PS3 and Wii U, and those who played both versions reportedly saw clear advantages on the PS3 version." which mirrors the story from gamesradar which was posted after the story from your OP. 

So we have 3 sources that say it's better, 2 of which are worthless and the other questionable. Vs 3 that say it's currently worse and will be 99% the same at launch, which includes an actual dev working on the game...

So much for your "Every comfirmation says the Wii U version is way better."

EDIT: and I found another interview with a Ubisoft dev saying it will be the same and no better than PS360 http://www.computerandvideogames.com/363428/assassins-creed-iii-interview-alex-hutchinson/?page=3#top_banner

"Wii U is visually the same as the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions, and we're adding a little bit on the tablet controller."

And another person that says it looks the same as any multiplat PS360 game

http://www.vg247.com/2012/08/16/assassin%E2%80%99s-creed-3-shown-playable-on-wii-u-%E2%80%9Cthe-same%E2%80%9D-as-360-ps3-pc/

"In what may well be the first showing of a third-party game on the next-gen Nintendo hardware, Assassin’s Creed III certainly looked no different to anything you’d expect to see on 360 or PS3. Graphically, I could see no difference."

there are a few reports that say it has some better textures, which is to be expected with the extra RAM in the Wii U. But nothing to suggest that it's higher res or better framerate.



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zarx said:
lilbroex said:

That is completely bogus. Every comfirmation says the Wii U version is way better.


A bad capture vs off screen both from a bad quality streaming video is a worthless comparison. And as much as I like shane his opinions on graphics have been worthless ever since he argued that CoD4 looked better than Crysis. The sources for 1080p from what I have seen are from a Nintendo fan site that in the same article said that the Wii U version would be "60fps like the PS3/360 version" which means they are full of shit as the PS360 versions are both 30fps, and the other is a forum post on GameFAQs which claims that Nintendo PR reps told him that AC3 and Batman: AC are both "True HD" which he took to mean they were 1080p native, which is stupid because PR reps don't usually know technical details on games unless they are marketing points.

The only official word is the one in your OP

" the Wii U version will be missing some technical features that are available on the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. Because the developer didn’t have enough time to properly port Assassin’s Creed 3 Wii U to Nintendo’s new console, the game won’t include some of the lighting and particle effects present in other versions."

"Masters says that the Wii U version is “99% identical” to the other consoles."

Which basically shows that Kotaku are full of shit as well as they claimed that the lighting was better on Wii U. 

And also from your OP "Assassin’s Creed 3 was playable at GamesCom both on the PS3 and Wii U, and those who played both versions reportedly saw clear advantages on the PS3 version." which mirrors the story from gamesradar which was posted after the story from your OP. 

So we have 3 sources that say it's better, 2 of which are worthless and the other questionable. Vs 3 that say it's currently worse and will be 99% the same at launch, which includes an actual dev working on the game...

So much for your "Every comfirmation says the Wii U version is way better."

EDIT: and I found another interview with a Ubisoft dev saying it will be the same and no better than PS360 http://www.computerandvideogames.com/363428/assassins-creed-iii-interview-alex-hutchinson/?page=3#top_banner

"Wii U is visually the same as the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions, and we're adding a little bit on the tablet controller."

And another person that says it looks the same as any multiplat PS360 game

http://www.vg247.com/2012/08/16/assassin%E2%80%99s-creed-3-shown-playable-on-wii-u-%E2%80%9Cthe-same%E2%80%9D-as-360-ps3-pc/

"In what may well be the first showing of a third-party game on the next-gen Nintendo hardware, Assassin’s Creed III certainly looked no different to anything you’d expect to see on 360 or PS3. Graphically, I could see no difference."

there are a few reports that say it has some better textures, which is to be expected with the extra RAM in the Wii U. But nothing to suggest that it's higher res or better framerate.

 this post explains a lot and I thank you for taking the time to put all of this together. 

 However, a question raised within me right after I read lilbroex´s post and your answer...

 Why is everybody only talking about framerates, textures, particles and those things instead of talking about who good/fun the games looks? It bugs me to think that gaming boards nowdays are sites where what it matters is how good the game looks in comparison to fill the blank, or how many particles, the amount of ram, technical specs an such.  The worst thing is that all gaming boards are pretty much the same, while I enjoy some debates here and there, I am really getting tired of people "fighting" this imaginary gaming war.

 @zarx: I hope my post doesnt offend anybody, I am taking it as an example of what I dont like about gaming boards these days.



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menx64 said:

 this post explains a lot and I thank you for taking the time to put all of this together. 

 However, a question raised within me right after I read lilbroex´s post and your answer...

 Why is everybody only talking about framerates, textures, particles and those things instead of talking about who good/fun the games looks? It bugs me to think that gaming boards nowdays are sites where what it matters is how good the game looks in comparison to fill the blank, or how many particles, the amount of ram, technical specs an such.  The worst thing is that all gaming boards are pretty much the same, while I enjoy some debates here and there, I am really getting tired of people "fighting" this imaginary gaming war.

 @zarx: I hope my post doesnt offend anybody, I am taking it as an example of what I dont like about gaming boards these days.


No offence taken, Ubisoft say constantly that the game will play the same for everyone and have the same content. Other than a few things on the Wii U pad and some bonus DLC on PS3 (which I guess makes them liers lol, but the core experiance is "99% the same"). So there is nothing really to discuss about it's gmeplay in terms of other platforms.

I can't speak for anyone else but personally I just have a facination with how things are made, I am the kind of person who watches all the making of and commentary tracks on DVDs as well. I have always been a nerdy guy and the technical elements are facinating and it's a constant learning experiance. 

I am certainly not fighting any war, I have no personal stake in it at all. If the Wii U version is better and has higher resolution and framerate, then great a better experiance for those who play it. If it's worse or the same (which many sources say it is) then that is no skin off my back. 



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zarx said:
menx64 said:

 this post explains a lot and I thank you for taking the time to put all of this together. 

 However, a question raised within me right after I read lilbroex´s post and your answer...

 Why is everybody only talking about framerates, textures, particles and those things instead of talking about who good/fun the games looks? It bugs me to think that gaming boards nowdays are sites where what it matters is how good the game looks in comparison to fill the blank, or how many particles, the amount of ram, technical specs an such.  The worst thing is that all gaming boards are pretty much the same, while I enjoy some debates here and there, I am really getting tired of people "fighting" this imaginary gaming war.

 @zarx: I hope my post doesnt offend anybody, I am taking it as an example of what I dont like about gaming boards these days.


No offence taken, Ubisoft say constantly that the game will play the same for everyone and have the same content. Other than a few things on the Wii U pad and some bonus DLC on PS3 (which I guess makes them liers lol, but the core experiance is "99% the same"). So there is nothing really to discuss about it's gmeplay in terms of other platforms.

I can't speak for anyone else but personally I just have a facination with how things are made, I am the kind of person who watches all the making of and commentary tracks on DVDs as well. I have always been a nerdy guy and the technical elements are facinating and it's a constant learning experiance. 

I am certainly not fighting any war, I have no personal stake in it at all. If the Wii U version is better and has higher resolution and framerate, then great a better experiance for those who play it. If it's worse or the same (which many sources say it is) then that is no skin off my back. 

   From your point of view it makes a lot of sense, I know a few things about tech specs and that is a very fascinating world.

offtopic: I have a huge fascination for geography in general, so looking for new things, reading and getting all the knowledge possible is a huge source of joy for me. 

OT: Ubisfot is the one to blame here, due to their inability to fullfill their promises.



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