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richardhutnik on 21 August 2012
Immortal said:
richardhutnik said:

Names as brands get old and change.  A company may be too successful to leave, but labeling a product as never failing in the market is pushing it.  Even Nintendo doesn't keep the same name for the platform.

I would say that "Playstation" as a name is weakening.  It isn't top dog anywhere now.  And with this, it loses its FUD factor.  


Wait, so are you actually affirming that you see a possible scenario in which the PlayStation brand no longer competes in the market because it simply whithers away due to a lack of popularity rather than being forced to shut down due to financial issues?

I'm not saying I disagree with you. That's just a pretty untraditional line of thought. I mean, while proportionally and historically, it's poor, but some odd 90 million sales for a console is not so bad as to get you thinking that the brand is going to die soon, is it?

By "too big to fail", I was just referring to (and probably misusing, :P) the common term. I just can't see it dying due to a lack of popularity anytime soon.

Name one company that has kept the same name over and over for their console offerings, for so long as they have been in the videogame business?  I can only think of one, and that is Sony with the Playstation.  No one else had.  You had Atari who ended up using numbers, which might be it.  But Nintendo didn't, NEC didn't, Sega didn't, Mattel didn't, Magnavox didn't.   I can't think of any who had a prolonged period of time has done away with the name.  Nintendo is the prime example.  They even killed off the Gameboy brand name in the  portable arena.  Other who attempted didn't last long.

What would happen, based on what is seen with Nintendo, is they want to release a system that is so new, and has such new features, they feel a reason to end up changing the name to reflect that.  Gameboy went away, and they went DS, because DS (implying dual screens) was more important than the Gameboy brand itself.

What I am saying is that, Sony may hang around, but they may end up looking to do away with the name "Playstation" as a brand itself.  What Sony has done with the Playstation name as a brand hasn't really been done before, and there is no historical record for that happening in the area of videogame consoles.



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HappySqurriel on 21 August 2012
richardhutnik said:
Immortal said:
richardhutnik said:

Names as brands get old and change.  A company may be too successful to leave, but labeling a product as never failing in the market is pushing it.  Even Nintendo doesn't keep the same name for the platform.

I would say that "Playstation" as a name is weakening.  It isn't top dog anywhere now.  And with this, it loses its FUD factor.  


Wait, so are you actually affirming that you see a possible scenario in which the PlayStation brand no longer competes in the market because it simply whithers away due to a lack of popularity rather than being forced to shut down due to financial issues?

I'm not saying I disagree with you. That's just a pretty untraditional line of thought. I mean, while proportionally and historically, it's poor, but some odd 90 million sales for a console is not so bad as to get you thinking that the brand is going to die soon, is it?

By "too big to fail", I was just referring to (and probably misusing, :P) the common term. I just can't see it dying due to a lack of popularity anytime soon.

Name one company that has kept the same name over and over for their console offerings, for so long as they have been in the videogame business?  I can only think of one, and that is Sony with the Playstation.  No one else had.  You had Atari who ended up using numbers, which might be it.  But Nintendo didn't, NEC didn't, Sega didn't, Mattel didn't, Magnavox didn't.   I can't think of any who had a prolonged period of time has done away with the name.  Nintendo is the prime example.  They even killed off the Gameboy brand name in the  portable arena.  Other who attempted didn't last long.

What would happen, based on what is seen with Nintendo, is they want to release a system that is so new, and has such new features, they feel a reason to end up changing the name to reflect that.  Gameboy went away, and they went DS, because DS (implying dual screens) was more important than the Gameboy brand itself.

What I am saying is that, Sony may hang around, but they may end up looking to do away with the name "Playstation" as a brand itself.  What Sony has done with the Playstation name as a brand hasn't really been done before, and there is no historical record for that happening in the area of videogame consoles.


From what I remember, Nintendo promoted the Nintendo DS as a 'Third Pillar' and claimed that the Gameboy successor was on its way; and they probably didn't use the Gameboy name to protect it in case the DS failed.

Edit: and the Nintendo Entertainment System, Super Nintendo Entertainment System, and Nintendo 64 retained the same brand but Nintendo broke that pattern with the Gamecube (probably) because of how much the N64 struggled.



wvelting on 21 August 2012

What's with the change to the title...it's a bit misleading....Vita is no where near the total sales of Dreamcast.



happydolphin on 21 August 2012
Pokemonbrawlvg said:
You want to know what's weird?

The PS2 killed the Dreamcast, but now the Vita, made by the same company who made the PS2, is selling on the lines of the Dreamcast.

Sega has not forgotten!

Do you think the Dreamcast is coming back from the dead to execute vengeance? In what form?



Pokemonbrawlvg on 21 August 2012
happydolphin said:
Pokemonbrawlvg said:
You want to know what's weird?

The PS2 killed the Dreamcast, but now the Vita, made by the same company who made the PS2, is selling on the lines of the Dreamcast.

Sega has not forgotten!

Do you think the Dreamcast is coming back from the dead to execute vengeance? In what form?

I think it's a form of Karma. 



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sales2099 on 21 August 2012
VGKing said:
sales2099 said:
Interesting....launches aligned this is the time 3DS got its price cut.

Sony either has to face the hard facts like Nintendo did and price drop, or let things stay the way they are and let that hardware gap get bigger and bigger.


It's not like the gap will EVER close. So no point trying.

You people on these forums know nothing about profit all you care about is # of units sold.

Well in terms of console wars yes LTD sales determines the winner and loser, regardless of profitability on either side. But going by your logic one can argue that Nintendo will probably make more profit out of the 3DS then Vita when its all said and done. Install base has its advantages. 

But I very much so care about profit as well as LTD sales. Take 360 and MS. Gen over gen, MS has made great strides in profitability and I see that as a victory. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Soundwave on 22 August 2012

I think the worst thing about this situation right now for the Vita is the game's that would be coming out for this system in 2013/2014 ... a lot of those decisions have to be made by publishers right now. That post-launch period is what devs look at to see whether or not they're really going to support a platform full throttle.

Most publishers if they had some interest in perhaps supporting this platform and probably quietly axing support behind the scenes. It's not even selling well in Japan, it's having a miserable go of it there.

US/Euro devs are just going to focus on the PS4/720 + existing 360/PS3 and Wii U I think.

Japanese devs looking at these sales ... they're going to go 3DS.



cusman on 22 August 2012
Salnax said:
If the Vita dies now, we'll never stop hearing about how it was the greatest handheld of all time.

Funny

But even if Sony were to pull the hardware from the streets and release a new hardware after 2 years, it would still be Vita. Nintendo wont be releasing something of Vita quality until at least 5 more years if not longer.



ryuzaki57 on 22 August 2012
Mnementh said:
ryuzaki57 said:
Vita will have more releases until the end of the year in the west than 3DS, it is far from dying.

Really? Source please.

(I don't say it's wrong, but this claim is too big to go without a good source.)

The source is Nintendo IR  http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2012/120725_2e.pdf 

3DS has Prof. Layton, Epic Mickey, Skylanders and Paper Mario

Vita has CoD Declassified, Street Fighter X Tekken, Playstation All-Star Battle, Assassin's Creed Liberation, Silent Hill, Rachet & Clank Qforce, Persona 4, Lost Odyssey, NFS Most Wanted and Little Big Planet

LEGO LOR and FIFA13 are on both.



 

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curl-6 on 22 August 2012

I just can't see the Vita dropping off the market any time soon, and here's why: Sony simply won't let that happen.

They have invested too much in it to admit defeat and let it die. They might hurt its sales by holding off on a price cut, but they'll stubbornly continue to support it.

And it probably won't come to that; AC:L, COD, bundling and the holiday boost will most likely turn its fortunes around.