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leatherhat on 14 August 2012

What is your field, exactly?



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wfz on 14 August 2012
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
It's insidious to hire the most qualified people for the jobs you have available?

I mean what.... employers should let people who were most likely laid off for reasons no fault to their own, just stay unemployed because there are a bunch of college graduates without experience that need jobs?

It's the same reason why it's a problem in spain... and worse there.

Surplus qualified labor means that there aren't enough jobs for everyone.

That means the least qualified people aren't going to get jobs...

Fire the old people. Fix the social safety net so they can actually live off retirements (or restore pensions, or something), institute mandatory retirement ages after which these people can not work. Set aside positions to help transition recent graduates into the industry, that is, paying internships or some sort of short-term training program to get them off to work, the thing that Sal-Paradise mentioned about banning upper income individuals from renting in the city was also a good idea, to keep rent inflation from occurring.

If the moneymen keep giving us the middle finger, their whole house-of-cards is going to collapse. Already the vaunted 18-34 marketing demographic is becoming weaker and weaker because we don't have any damn money to spend. It's their fault, and they should fix it, or be prepared to suffer.

So your answer is more or less Ageism.

Screw old people's rights and the fact that they can do the job better because the young need jobs.

Seriously?

I'm not sure quite how to argue this other then saying it's a HUGE violation of peoples rights, based soley on their age ignoring their capabilities.


I'm going to follow this narrow scenario for a moment. If it truly is this "one or the other" scenario, I would as well choose the younger population. You need to keep your bases and youth strong if you want to stay stable. Sacraficing the old for the young is a better scenario than sacraficing the young for the old!


(I just came in here to muse, not actually start any real debates about the working environment).



Euphoria14 on 14 August 2012
SaviorX said:
Euphoria14 said:

Just go into Nursing, they are hiring all over.

My fiance went into an accelerated course to get her LPN license and now she already got bumped up to nursing supervisor at the pediatrics office she works at.


Speakingo of baby-boomers, I have a 79 year old at my job. He builds aircraft parts. I have another 70+ year old male who works in Quality Control.

Exactly what my mother did.

Took her longer than normal but with the right LPN program you can finish in 11 months and make 6 figures in less than a year.


Where do LPNs make 6 figures?! O_o

I know in places like Colorado you can make 60k/year, but here in NY it only starts at around 40-45k. RN makes over 70k/year to start. My fiance's sister is an RN at Stony Brook University Hospital and they started her at $37/hour.



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the2real4mafol on 14 August 2012
Mr Khan said:

3. Baby boomers refuse to retire. So the baby boomers screw us from both above and underneath: from above, because they are the exploiters who run this whole rigged game now, and from underneath because they're taking the minimum-wage and low-end jobs that should, by all rights, be ours and not theirs. Enjoy your golden years already and quit taking food out of our mouths.

Baby boomers can't just retire though, that would completely fuck the system. there would be far too many dependents on the state (kids and pensioners)

it would create jobs for the younger generations, but you can't just force someone to retire. 

Also, there are a lack of jobs because many of them went abroad e.g manufacturing and phone call centre. not an old person's though



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Kasz216 on 14 August 2012
Mr Khan said:
thranx said:
Mr Khan said:

 it's going to be everyone's fault but mine.


I think that is more of the problem.

Every one is free to make their own decisions. They also have to live with those. displacing blame makes it hard to get ahead as you will not solve the real problem.

If the whole system has rigged itself to guarantee that i cannot get a job, how is that my fault? I'm out here trying and getting nowhere, despite following the advice of what i "should" be doing. If you try your hardest and fail, who's fault is it?

I blame employers and Baby Boomers, and it'll be on them when i become permanently unemployable because of toxic federal debt due to a student loan default that is no fault of my own whatsoever, because the system has made sure that i can get neither low-level nor high-level employment no matter how hard i try.

I actually don't believe you can default on student loan debts.



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Mr Khan on 14 August 2012
leatherhat said:
What is your field, exactly?

International Relations, so my problem isn't really the "wrong degree," as there is a pretty substantive field out there (with globalization and the proliferation of NGOs and all), the problem i'm seeing is that all of these fricking jobs want 2-3 years of experience, but nobody just wants to get you started. A bit of training and a fair shot at promotions would likely buy my loyalty handily, if that's what these people are afraid of, but no, instead they plot to force everyone with experience to re-enter at the very bottom.

It's an exploitative plot, as i said. I could be worse off, but the system is still gamed against me and others like me.



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Mr Khan on 14 August 2012
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:

If the whole system has rigged itself to guarantee that i cannot get a job, how is that my fault? I'm out here trying and getting nowhere, despite following the advice of what i "should" be doing. If you try your hardest and fail, who's fault is it?

I blame employers and Baby Boomers, and it'll be on them when i become permanently unemployable because of toxic federal debt due to a student loan default that is no fault of my own whatsoever, because the system has made sure that i can get neither low-level nor high-level employment no matter how hard i try.

I actually don't believe you can default on student loan debts.

You can, you can just never get the debt written off, unless you die or become permanently disabled, or get put in jail or something. If you go into default on federal student loans, they treat it like tax delinquency and will seize assets or garnish wages until they get what they need.



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the2real4mafol on 14 August 2012
Mr Khan said:
leatherhat said:
What is your field, exactly?

International Relations, so my problem isn't really the "wrong degree," as there is a pretty substantive field out there (with globalization and the proliferation of NGOs and all), the problem i'm seeing is that all of these fricking jobs want 2-3 years of experience, but nobody just wants to get you started. A bit of training and a fair shot at promotions would likely buy my loyalty handily, if that's what these people are afraid of, but no, instead they plot to force everyone with experience to re-enter at the very bottom.

It's an exploitative plot, as i said. I could be worse off, but the system is still gamed against me and others like me.

That's the problem, they want "Expierience" but how can we get it, if they won't hire us. it purposely discriminates against the young



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leatherhat on 14 August 2012
Mr Khan said:
leatherhat said:
What is your field, exactly?

International Relations, so my problem isn't really the "wrong degree," as there is a pretty substantive field out there (with globalization and the proliferation of NGOs and all), the problem i'm seeing is that all of these fricking jobs want 2-3 years of experience, but nobody just wants to get you started. A bit of training and a fair shot at promotions would likely buy my loyalty handily, if that's what these people are afraid of, but no, instead they plot to force everyone with experience to re-enter at the very bottom.

It's an exploitative plot, as i said. I could be worse off, but the system is still gamed against me and others like me.


Thats probably a tough field to crack into even in good economies. I feel for ya. 



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Kasz216 on 14 August 2012
wfz said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
It's insidious to hire the most qualified people for the jobs you have available?

I mean what.... employers should let people who were most likely laid off for reasons no fault to their own, just stay unemployed because there are a bunch of college graduates without experience that need jobs?

It's the same reason why it's a problem in spain... and worse there.

Surplus qualified labor means that there aren't enough jobs for everyone.

That means the least qualified people aren't going to get jobs...

Fire the old people. Fix the social safety net so they can actually live off retirements (or restore pensions, or something), institute mandatory retirement ages after which these people can not work. Set aside positions to help transition recent graduates into the industry, that is, paying internships or some sort of short-term training program to get them off to work, the thing that Sal-Paradise mentioned about banning upper income individuals from renting in the city was also a good idea, to keep rent inflation from occurring.

If the moneymen keep giving us the middle finger, their whole house-of-cards is going to collapse. Already the vaunted 18-34 marketing demographic is becoming weaker and weaker because we don't have any damn money to spend. It's their fault, and they should fix it, or be prepared to suffer.

So your answer is more or less Ageism.

Screw old people's rights and the fact that they can do the job better because the young need jobs.

Seriously?

I'm not sure quite how to argue this other then saying it's a HUGE violation of peoples rights, based soley on their age ignoring their capabilities.


I'm going to follow this narrow scenario for a moment. If it truly is this "one or the other" scenario, I would as well choose the younger population. You need to keep your bases and youth strong if you want to stay stable. Sacraficing the old for the young is a better scenario than sacraficing the young for the old!


(I just came in here to muse, not actually start any real debates about the working environment).

It would be my position that such a thing isn't a choice government should make.

It's no more valid than telling women they shouldn't be able to work, because it's still socially acceptable for women to be supported by a man, while men being supported by a woman are looked at as losers... therefore "Kept women" will be better off.