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Runa216 said:
BenVTrigger said:
Just a quick question when you say your sexuality isnt a choice are you referring to sexual preference?

Because if so you just contradicted yourself. There is zero evidence of any difference whatsoever in the genetic makeup and DNA of a strait human and a homosexual one. Even things like chemical balance are identical.

I always found it strange when homosexuals and homosexual advocates tried to argue theres a science behind being gay when we know for a fact there isnt. It is a choice......but theres nothing wrong with that. Just like in strait men theres ass guys and boob guys. They like different things but thats just due to preference nothing genetic between the differences. Homosexuality is the same thing.

Now being a conscious choice Im not sure about, and probably many times is completly subconscious thus the person never realizes a choice has been made. That said theres no genetic or scientific evidence to support someone is born homosexual and different from a strait human being. Thats not even up for a debate its scientific fact.

But if thats not what you were saying sorry for going off topic

Being gay is not a choice.  we do not know conclusively what determines one's sexuality, but we do know that you can't chose your sexuality.  You can chose who you are sexual with, but you can't chose what your body wants.  You can't chose to be gay any more than you can chose to be straight.  As an experiment, if being gay is a choice, you go gay.  Right now.  go hit on a dude. 

I bet your body was NOT aroused at the thought of being pounded in the butt by a dude.  You may think there's nothing wrong with it, or like me you feel it should be what's inside not outside that determines your level of attractiveness, but no matter how much you WANT to be gay or at least try it, you just can't get into it.  that's what it's like to be gay looking at women.  you know there's no reason you should be repelled by women, but you are.  

What causes it is irrelevant, you can't chose your sexuality.  

If being gay is a choice, why would anyone choose it? Why choose to be something that's going to get you ostracized by a good number of people today, or could have gotten you many punishments like chemical castration as late as 60 years ago?



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amp316 said:

Oh come on!  Removing a piece of skin is not the same as having a finger cut off and you, as an intellectual, know that.  

I know, but it's a good parallel.  The bottom line is that the foreskin is there for a reason, and while there have been studies saying there are medical benefits, there are just as many studies saying there aren't, and circumcision actually is harmful in the long run.  The point is that there's no good reason to cut it off.  There are some reports that say "lower chance of UTI's and penile cancer", but the 'lower chance' is so small it's barely a register, (0.01%, that can actually be chalked up to chance and fluctuation, not to mention that study was taken in 1993) versus the risks involved as well as the permenent alteration and effect on sex life.  

A small chance of benefit for a very real and undeniable loss.  NOT worth it.  



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Im not sure why hes so adament on the circumscision thing either mostly for a couple reasons

It is scientifically proven the uncircumscised men are likely to contract skin infections such as Blantus

And that sexual intercourse is more enjoyable for circumscised males due to it being easier to stimulate and get sensation in the head of the penis.

Many of his points and posts are missing actual scientific fact and are just strong opinion. He needs to learn to seperate his personal feelings from that matter.

There are veeeeeeeery few things in our life that are actual fact. Things like time, gravity, and space which are everyday moments of our lives arent fact we are learning more and more.



@ Mr Khan

Im completly fine with someone being gay but again theres no science to show that a gay and strait man are different.

Again many people dont understand the differences of an actual scientific fact and a strong theory or belief. You have to learn to seperate the two and from a purely genetic and scientific point of view there is no current evidence at all to support the notion of someone being "born gay" even if they are. As of 2012 we have no proof of this other than some observations. But most people forget observation is only one step in the scientific method



Mr Khan said:
I agree. There are certain arguments on which the discussion should, by all rights, be closed.


Sure, but the list Runa gives is pretty shoddy and is still open to skepticism.

Only in the mind of some intelliectuals are certain issues settled, since it meshes with their worldview. Throw in any other "Settled" issue that is in opposition to their worldview, and they will have a major problem with it. Or offer any data set that contradicts thier view, and they "Refute" it by saying the data is wrong, without recognizing that the data point may, in fact, be a legitimate point of critism.



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BenVTrigger said:
Im not sure why hes so adament on the circumscision thing either mostly for a couple reasons

It is scientifically proven the uncircumscised men are likely to contract skin infections such as Blantus

And that sexual intercourse is more enjoyable for circumscised males due to it being easier to stimulate and get sensation in the head of the penis.

Many of his points and posts are missing actual scientific fact and are just strong opinion. He needs to learn to seperate his personal feelings from that matter.

There are veeeeeeeery few things in our life that are actual fact. Things like time, gravity, and space which are everyday moments of our lives arent fact we are learning more and more.

wrong. sex is better with the forskin.

http://www.nocirc.org/touch-test/touchtest.php

 

also there is at least ONE woman out there who likes uncut.

 



 

 

Mr Khan said:


If being gay is a choice, why would anyone choose it? Why choose to be something that's going to get you ostracized by a good number of people today, or could have gotten you many punishments like chemical castration as late as 60 years ago?


I always wondered that, too.  why in the world would someone consciously chose to do something that would have them ostracized and punished?  I mean, when the reward is manbum, I can't imagine the risks being worth it  unless the person really was gay! 



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Runa216 said:

 

Circumcision is a barbaric act and has no medical benefits.

Wrong. But, it is merely a cultural choice. I prefer not to have a caccoon penis.

Your sexuality is not a choice.

Agree! This is fact. Is it not a *brain disorder* as it was once classified.

Forcing yourself to do or be something that is against your nature is harmful.

It's against my nature to wake up and go to work every day. Maybe I should stop?

Your skin color does not dictate your actions.

This cannot be a blanket statement as humans are products of their environment/culture.

Evolution is conclusively proven and has been witnessed.

Somewhat true. Microevolution is conclusively proven. Not macro.

Climate Change is most certainly a thing and needs to be addressed.

No. Take a gander at a chart of the Earth's surface temperature over time. Today is not the peak.

Guns are tools that are specifically designed to kill.

Absolutely agree. But I can admit the counter. Can you?

OP, you are touting your opinions as facts in the majority of this list which makes you the same as the people you detest - the ignorant. You need to truly be open to listening to the other side to further solidify your own viewpoints. You may be surprised by their evidence.

Nothing is certain; any variable can change the equation.



BenVTrigger said:
Im not sure why hes so adament on the circumscision thing either mostly for a couple reasons

It is scientifically proven the uncircumscised men are likely to contract skin infections such as Blantus

And that sexual intercourse is more enjoyable for circumscised males due to it being easier to stimulate and get sensation in the head of the penis.

Many of his points and posts are missing actual scientific fact and are just strong opinion. He needs to learn to seperate his personal feelings from that matter.

There are veeeeeeeery few things in our life that are actual fact. Things like time, gravity, and space which are everyday moments of our lives arent fact we are learning more and more.

 

It's also medically proven that women with breasts are more at risk of breast cancer.  OF course having more skin is going to make you more prone to skin infections. 

Wrong, but someone beat me to it. 

Just becuase I didn't post links to scientific studies proving these points to be true doesn't mean they're opinion.  Coming to these conclusions was a result of many years of research, as well as much of my time in school.  Contrary to popular belief, I don't get behind an issue and claim it to be fact without substantial evidence supporting that assertion. 



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mrstickball said:
Mr Khan said:
I agree. There are certain arguments on which the discussion should, by all rights, be closed.


Sure, but the list Runa gives is pretty shoddy and is still open to skepticism.

Only in the mind of some intelliectuals are certain issues settled, since it meshes with their worldview. Throw in any other "Settled" issue that is in opposition to their worldview, and they will have a major problem with it. Or offer any data set that contradicts thier view, and they "Refute" it by saying the data is wrong, without recognizing that the data point may, in fact, be a legitimate point of critism.

No, the list I gave is not shoddy, and is not open to skepticism. these claims came from years of research, as well as lengthy discussions with teachers, professors, and medical professionals.  I've done my research, and some things have been conclusively proven no matter how many people disagree.  There are scientists out there who have 'scientific proof' that global warming is a myth....but they are heavily outweighed by those who have scientific proof to the contrary.  there will always be detractors, but I'm going with the scientific consensus.  

Also, there's a whole post there not just the list of infallible truths, discussing some of my points would be nice, as opposed to just opposing facts for the sake of getting in an argument.  In fact, had you actually READ the whole thing, you'd see that this entire thread is about people who take opinion and heresay as fact...and why that mentality needs to be snuffed out. 



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