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Allfreedom99 said:
sperrico87 said:
Just did a little bit of research on Ryan... not impressed at all. Having difficulty seeing why everyone here thinks he's conservative...

He voted for Medicare part D (prescription drug expansion), all the bailouts, TARP ...the list goes on and on. He is the exact opposite of what I was looking for in a Romney VP pick. Just very distressing.

in terms of government policies he does have some black marks on his record in fiscally conservative eyes. He spent like 7 terms as a congressman.

To his defense though he did however push the Bush administration to propose privatizing social security, of which he did not get support for. And while I myself would have preferred another VP choice he at least is proposing to reduce spending and reform unsustainable programs. Unlike the Obama administration that seems to only tout "taxing the rich" will pay for them.

Yeah, but something tells me DoD spending to Paul Ryan doesn't qualify as "unsustainable".  Which of course is the whole problem and precisely why neither party is getting us anywhere in Washington.  Democrats refuse to cut any entitlement programs, and Republicans refuse to cut any overseas spending, and so there is nothing anyone can do to balance the budget and start paying down the debt.



 

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sperrico87 said:

Yeah, but something tells me DoD spending to Paul Ryan doesn't qualify as "unsustainable".  Which of course is the whole problem and precisely why neither party is getting us anywhere in Washington.  Democrats refuse to cut any entitlement programs, and Republicans refuse to cut any overseas spending, and so there is nothing anyone can do to balance the budget and start paying down the debt.


With these two terrible parties and winner takes all system then you can see how USA is set up for disaster.  Nothing will save us if these two parties stay in office.



sethnintendo said:
sperrico87 said:

Yeah, but something tells me DoD spending to Paul Ryan doesn't qualify as "unsustainable".  Which of course is the whole problem and precisely why neither party is getting us anywhere in Washington.  Democrats refuse to cut any entitlement programs, and Republicans refuse to cut any overseas spending, and so there is nothing anyone can do to balance the budget and start paying down the debt.


With these two terrible parties and winner takes all system then you can see how USA is set up for disaster.  Nothing will save us if these two parties stay in office.

True.  It's difficult to run on the platform of telling people the truth instead of what they want to hear.  It's a very difficult proposition.  It is a shame, though.  I voted for Ron Paul in the primary, so I guess I'll just vote for Gary Johnson in the general.



 

Essentially, Romney has no credibility on budgetary issues since he refuses to even identify spending cuts or deduction eliminations, so he hires the guy who wrote his party's budget.

Not a terrible choice; far better than Sarah Palin was. In fact, quite a good choice considering the state of the Republican Party (torn into factions competing for who can be the most insane).



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sperrico87 said:

True.  It's difficult to run on the platform of telling people the truth instead of what they want to hear.  It's a very difficult proposition.  It is a shame, though.  I voted for Ron Paul in the primary, so I guess I'll just vote for Gary Johnson in the general.

Yea, I suppose I will vote for Gary Johnson even though it is essentially a waste of time and nothing will happen.   I wouldn't mind voting for any 3rd party candidate for federal, state, and local.  They could be Communist or Fascist and I still think they probably could do a better job than Republicans and Democrats.



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To understand what he brings to the table, please watch the following video:

 

Essentially, he is an intelligent, articulate man who is informed and can make a well supported argument on a highly political topic without resorting to political grandstanding. From what I have seen of him, he doesn't seem to be a particularly partisan individual, and he would probably be willing to work with anyone to make the changes that are necessary to get the country moving in the right direction.



HappySqurriel said:

To understand what he brings to the table, please watch the following video:

 

Essentially, he is an intelligent, articulate man who is informed and can make a well supported argument on a highly political topic without resorting to political grandstanding. From what I have seen of him, he doesn't seem to be a particularly partisan individual, and he would probably be willing to work with anyone to make the changes that are necessary to get the country moving in the right direction.


You know what he is?  More of the same.  Nothing will change with someone like him in office.  He is a fake conservative, just like Gingrich, Santorum, Romney, Bachmann and on and on down the list.  He, Romney, Biden and Obama are all very intelligent, very articulate men, but their silly arguments are ruining our country.  None of them have a strong theory of government.  You can't say with a straight face that you believe in small, limited government when you vote for Medicare Part D to expand benefits for prescription drugs, or when you vote to bail out every major American bank, or when you vote to undermine private industry and hand automobile companies over to labor unions instead of allowing them to go through the proper bankruptcy process that every other industry has to go through when they face financial problems.



 

sperrico87 said:
HappySqurriel said:

To understand what he brings to the table, please watch the following video:

 

Essentially, he is an intelligent, articulate man who is informed and can make a well supported argument on a highly political topic without resorting to political grandstanding. From what I have seen of him, he doesn't seem to be a particularly partisan individual, and he would probably be willing to work with anyone to make the changes that are necessary to get the country moving in the right direction.


You know what he is?  More of the same.  Nothing will change with someone like him in office.  He is a fake conservative, just like Gingrich, Santorum, Romney, Bachmann and on and on down the list.  He, Romney, Biden and Obama are all very intelligent, very articulate men, but their silly arguments are ruining our country.  None of them have a strong theory of government.  You can't say with a straight face that you believe in small, limited government when you vote for Medicare Part D to expand benefits for prescription drugs, or when you vote to bail out every major American bank, or when you vote to undermine private industry and hand automobile companies over to labor unions instead of allowing them to go through the proper bankruptcy process that every other industry has to go through when they face financial problems.


At this point in time I'm only really talking about his political merits ...

From what I have seen on politicians, they tend to govern based on what is politically possible at that point in time; which makes it nearly impossible to predict what they will do/support based on what they have done/supported in the past.



Allfreedom99 said:

You mean the president that said he would go through the budget "line by line" and trim off what wasnt necessary? The president who had control of both House and Senate for his first two years where he had the freedom to pass most of everything he wanted? The president who in 2011' budget was running a $1.3 trillion spending deficit? He may have proposed some spending cuts but all you hear him talk about when discussing the deficit is "taxing it from the rich." Dosn't sound very balanced when you actually listen to what he says and also what he has done as president. Just go look at the progression of the U.S. Debt and deficits in the future. They are unsustainable, but Obama has failed to really tackle that issue on paper.



A.  The President doesn't control House and Senate, even if they have the same letter in front of their names.  Unlike the GOP who has been lockstep unthinking zombies since Newt took over during the Clinton years, the Dems actually have debates within the larger party.  They don't always agree.  They vote their own ways in many circumstances.  The House and Senate disagreed. Pelosi and Reid and Obama didn't agree on everything.  

Conservatives on the one hand keep saying that Obama has forced through all this radical stuff that is ruining the country.....and then they turn around and ask "Well, why didn't he force through anything hwen he had "all the power'"?  If you can't see the logical ineptitude in that argument, I can't help you.  

The size of governmnt is down under Obama.  The number of governemtn employees on all levels is down under Obama.  Discretionary spending in most areas is down under Obama.  The debt numbers GOP apologists like to quote were almost all due to obligations out in place pre-2009  (Bush tax cuts, medicare part B, two wars, TARP, etc. etc. etc.).  To argue otherwise is ridiculous and completely dismisses all real facts. 

I certainly hope you are equally enthusiastic about getting rid of the GOP Congress if you are serious about dealing with people unable to work on deficits.  They've blocked every middle-of-the-road measure that's been attempted, let alone any "radical tax-loving leftist socialist communist redistribution plans."  You're quoting talking points instead of actually looking at the record.  The Congress was elected in 2010 on jobs and jobs and more jobs. They haven't passed ANY job legislation, and they've introduced almost none as well.  But they voted to repal Obamacare symbolically 30+ times.  They introduced a couple hundred abortion bills that do nothing.  



Can't we all just get along and play our games in peace?

Allfreedom99 said:

You mean the president that said he would go through the budget "line by line" and trim off what wasnt necessary? The president who had control of both House and Senate for his first two years where he had the freedom to pass most of everything he wanted? The president who in 2011' budget was running a $1.3 trillion spending deficit? He may have proposed some spending cuts but all you hear him talk about when discussing the deficit is "taxing it from the rich." Dosn't sound very balanced when you actually listen to what he says and also what he has done as president. Just go look at the progression of the U.S. Debt and deficits in the future. They are unsustainable, but Obama has failed to really tackle that issue on paper.




Furthermore - listen to what Romeny campaign is saying:  On the one hand they are saying that "Obama and the Democrats want to cut $600 billion from Medicare!  Oh noes! You can't do that!"  and then you and they are screaming "The Democrats won't reign in entitlemnet spending!"  and then they go "We want to essentially dismantle Medicare."

And these aren't different cadidates.  They are all things coming from the Romney campaign at the same tiem, sometimes within the same speech.  It's just ridiculous.



Can't we all just get along and play our games in peace?