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Who will win the Super Bowl? Part II

Denver Broncos 24 18.75%
 
New England Patriots 14 10.94%
 
Houston Texans 1 0.78%
 
Baltimore Ravens 29 22.66%
 
Glasgow Rangers 3 2.34%
 
Atlanta Falcons 4 3.13%
 
San Francisco 49ers 29 22.66%
 
Green Bay Packers 4 3.13%
 
Seattle Seahawks 6 4.69%
 
I am a wuss, but I want to see the results. 12 9.38%
 
Total:126
RolStoppable said:
amp316 said:

You mean Brees pulled a Favre.  He threw 6 picks in a playoff game once and more than anyone ever.

Rol, just face it.  Without their entire coaching staff the Saints are not as good of a team as the Falcons.  There is a reason why a head coach gets paid a lot of money and the Saint's seaon is a testament to that.  I'm not saying that Ryan and the Falcons aren't a tad overrated, but they are a pretty darned good team until they are in the playoffs.  Maybe they can change that this year.

Favre having Reggie White come over to the Packers to lead the team to the Super Bowl, now that's "dumb luck". 

Didn't Peyton Manning also have a six interception game at some point?

Yes, the Saints have problems. And if we discussed all this stuff yesterday before the game, you would have more of a point. But if you watched yesterday's game, you would have seen a Falcons team that almost imploded after a 17-0 lead. "Almost", because they got their act together in the fourth quarter with big help from Brees. If you look at the stats (total yards, time of possession), it's clear that this wasn't a game that was dominated by the Falcons.


I don't think that it was during the playoffs.  He also doesn't have the most for a career.

I did watch the fourth quarter and Brees threw those Ints late in the game because of pressure.  Sure, the Falcons could blitz more because they were ahead, but that's the luxury of having a lead.  Total yards and time of possession don't mean anything in a game with 5 turnovers.  Often, the team with five turnovers has more yards and time of possession because they are playing catch up while the other team plays more conservatively.  Yardage and TOP are not always indicators of which team played better.  



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RolStoppable said:
amp316 said:

I don't think that it was during the playoffs.  He also doesn't have the most for a career.

I did watch the fourth quarter and Brees threw those Ints late in the game because of pressure.  Sure, the Falcons could blitz more because they were ahead, but that's the luxury of having a lead.  Total yards and time of possession don't mean anything in a game with 5 turnovers.  Often, the team with five turnovers has more yards and time of possession because they are playing catch up while the other team plays more conservatively.  Yardage and TOP are not always indicators of which team played better.  

At last you admitted that you haven't watched the game. The Saints started badly and the Falcons built up a 17-0 lead after two interceptions from Brees, but then Atlanta took a nosedive with (I think) four three and outs in a row. It was the Saints who were running the ball during that time, the Falcons just didn't go anywhere for a long time. It looked pretty good for the Saints, but then Brees threw his third interception and gave the Falcons some much needed new hope.

I watched the game and it wasn't one where one team stomped the other into the ground, despite five interceptions from Drew Brees.

But I did watch the fourth quarter and saw what took place then.  

Rol, I'll let you be right if you want, but I'm the one that's right with the prediction...



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RolStoppable said:
amp316 said:

But I did watch the fourth quarter and saw what took place then.  

Rol, I'll let you be right if you want, but I'm the one that's right with the prediction...

Yes, I want to be right. And you should know that only watching the fourth quarter of a game doesn't tell the whole story. Remember, all those Tebow games last year.


Only one thing matters and that's the final score.  All of those other stats mean nothing.  



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RolStoppable said:
amp316 said:

Only one thing matters and that's the final score.  All of those other stats mean nothing.  

You kinda make me wish for a dumb luck victory of the Packers over the Bears.

Hey, I'll take a dumb luck victory over the Packers.  I'm perfectly fine with that.



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noname2200 said:
The Saints got blown out early, then they started to take charge, then Brees said "nah, screw that," pulled a Cutler, and starting targeting the cornerbacks and safeties. Five picks later, the game was done.

Man, that was one of the worst endings I have ever seen. Saints being Aints. Followed by an all out hot streak and embarrassing fall that is more consistent of the Raiders. Drew Brees runs a more exciting team than the Falcons. It is too bad they cannot win without bribing players.

By the way rol I think you got a bad choice of teams for your poll. By dissapointing I mean teams that I actually expected to do good and the Raiders were never one of them for anyone.



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RolStoppable said:
chocoloco said:

By the way rol I think you got a bad choice of teams for your poll. By dissapointing I mean teams that I actually expected to do good and the Raiders were never one of them for anyone.

I didn't know who else to add at the end. I also added Philadelphia to soften the blow to the Eagles a little bit.

I was thinking of teams doing only okay, but not horrible. Like the Saints, Pittsburgh, and the Redskins. The Saints and Pittsburgh were both largely winning teams last year and RG3 is just plain fun to watch. Most of those teams are not disappointing because I expected them to be bad or only averge.



amp316 said:
noname2200 said:
The Saints got blown out early, then they started to take charge, then Brees said "nah, screw that," pulled a Cutler, and starting targeting the cornerbacks and safeties. Five picks later, the game was done.


Tell me how many times Cutler has thrown 5 picks.  I'll give you a hint.  It's the same as Drew.  Talk crap about someone else...

Why on earth anyone with half a brain would have picked the Saints last night is beyond me.  I was going to make a grocery list of reasons that the Falcons were going to win before the game, but then I noticed that most of the members that picked the Saints were close to me in the prediction league and I didn't need to give any of you guys any help.

Hmm, you're right. Brees didn't fake an injury and then sulk on the sideline for the rest of the game, so I guess my analogy was a tad off. I'll amend it to say "he had five Cutler-esque moments." I'm glad we've reached this happy compromise.

Rol's already covered the second paragraph, but since Brees came to the Saints that team has only lost to the Falcons three times out of fourteen (including last night's game). Since Week 6 of last season the Falcons are 1-3 against the Saints (inluding last night), and 18-1 against everybody else. The sole reason they won last night is because Brees ket giving the ball away, both early and late. I know you only watched the end of the game, but after an uncharacteristic implosion the Saints were completely dominant in the second and third quarter, and would have added on an extra seven points at the half if not for a bone-headed penalty by Graham (I believe), and an extra three if Brees had either thrown the ball away or had an extra second of gametime. In spite of all that, they still had a chance to pull one out at the end.

Unless your grocery list said "Brees was going to going to play his worst game every, and by a large margin to boot," then it wouldn't have amounted to much.



NO-ATL 1
SEA-CHI 2
HOU-TEN 1
NE-MIA 1
JAC-BUF 2
IND-DET 1
CAR-KC 1
MIN-GB 2
SF-STL 1
ARI-NYJ 1
TB-DEN 2
PIT-BAL 2
CIN-SD 1
CLE-OAK  1 PHI-DAL 2
NYG-WAS 24-20


RolStoppable said:
Kenology said:
NO-ATL 1
SEA-CHI 2
HOU-TEN 1
NE-MIA 1
JAC-BUF 2
IND-DET 1
CAR-KC 1
MIN-GB 2
SF-STL 1
ARI-NYJ 1
TB-DEN 2
PIT-BAL 2
CIN-SD 1
CLE-OAK  1 PHI-DAL 2
NYG-WAS 24-20

I am going to laugh so hard, if the Eagles win this week.

You know they are now that I've picked against them.



noname2200 said:
amp316 said:
noname2200 said:
The Saints got blown out early, then they started to take charge, then Brees said "nah, screw that," pulled a Cutler, and starting targeting the cornerbacks and safeties. Five picks later, the game was done.


Tell me how many times Cutler has thrown 5 picks.  I'll give you a hint.  It's the same as Drew.  Talk crap about someone else...

Why on earth anyone with half a brain would have picked the Saints last night is beyond me.  I was going to make a grocery list of reasons that the Falcons were going to win before the game, but then I noticed that most of the members that picked the Saints were close to me in the prediction league and I didn't need to give any of you guys any help.

Hmm, you're right. Brees didn't fake an injury and then sulk on the sideline for the rest of the game, so I guess my analogy was a tad off. I'll amend it to say "he had five Cutler-esque moments." I'm glad we've reached this happy compromise.

-snip-

Noname, you and I have been friends for a while, but I am calling bullshit on this statement.  Cutler had gotten a severely sprained MCL that game which didn't allow him to plant in order to throw.  He attempted to throw a pass after getting the injury and his entire leg gave underneath him.  To top it off, he didn't ask to leave the game.  His coach, Lovie Smith, told him to sit.  I'm sure that you'll make a joke about his coach not having faith in him but whatever...  About him sulking; how would you react if you had played football your entire life, had gotten one game away from the Super Bowl, had to sit on the sidelines and watch the biggest game of your career, and not be able to do anything about it?  Would you be whistling zippity doo dah?  I know that I wouldn't.  My point is that he is tough and you really should stop with this crap.  I have watched the man take the worst beating that I have ever seen a Bears QB take over the last few years (this is saying a lot), normally pop right up, and more often than not win the game.  And about him being a bad player; he is actually a good QB.  How do I know this?  When he plays, the Bears usually win.  When he doesn't, they look like one of the worst teams in the league.  Look at the last two seasons if you want proof of this.  I am not saying that he's a perfect QB, but he should not be synonomous with shitty QB play, being a coward, and a sulking jerk like you are trying to make it look here.  You need to stop looking at the world through green and yellow tinted glasses.

The rest of this post you pretty much said the exact same thing as Rol, so I will you to be right about the Saints Falcons game just like he is.  But I was right about who was going to win.    



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