Looks like this 'buthurt troll' went into hiding after being exposed. Amusing that now he dosent have the balls to harass me on my wall. I guess his own posts were so moronic even he couldnt recall the magnitude of awful he fucked up. Well done, you called me out in front of everyone then you went into hiding after being exposed. Good job!

Its laughable that when FF15 is released, it will condemn your bullshit.

Moderated,

-Mr Khan

So...........how bout that One Winged Angel?

I said the thread itself, the one Gilgamesh made about music, is a failed  butthurt troll  attempt, man aren't you a weak conversationalist.

But If you wish I could have some more fan here, you are stealing my lines after all.

In the meantime:

Yes, and I can justify my opinion of what Yochi Wada thinks, though his words and actions. You cant justify anything you've said, hence why you keep taking my words out of sentence to avoid answering the questions. And hence why your a 'buthurt troll' who stopped harrassing me on my wall! Would you like to correct youself here. Or are you indeed 'a weak conversationalist' who cannot even comprehend how moronic his posts were? By all means prove me wrong:

"You dont have my permission to leave, your punishment must be more severe"

Doode... "Heres what you did, you got cocky and spewed out":

"Final Fantasy XIII enjoys stellar reviews. It ended up getting a direct sequel and probably, for the first time in FF history, even a second one. Between Final Fantasy XIII and XIII-2, the project has sold 9.6 million units worldwide, in these market conditions:"

"Jesus noob pwning Christ...What are you talking about, it has nothing to do with the console market and I'm not focusing on the PS3. It's the INDUSTRY, the japanese gaming industry. FF is not an RPG it's a gadman JAPANESE RPG, thus my referal to the very specific market conditions.  How on earth could have XIII-2 sold more than XIII ?!?!?"

FF13's reputation was so 'stellar' as you put it, the sequel sold less copies than the predecessor? 

I thought FF13 was a console RPG... How can it have nothing to with PS3? (Thats amusing).

And FYI, you should do some research, FF13 was not designed to be an RPG, it was influenced by Call of Duty and Lost the tv show. Hence why I consider the developers incompitent.

"By market conditions I obviously refer to the wildly known fact that was only mentioned a post ago, that japanese games are doing badly, very badly. Are you mocking me in my face talking about Skyrim ? What on earth does skyrim has to do with anything concerning the slowly dying japanese gaming industry ? Its't not 1998 anymore, that's a long gone market. Square's expectations were lower and yes XIII managed to be by far one of the best selling Japanese games."

"The japanese gaming industry has taken a huge blow. That is an overall observation of this gaming generation and you are looking the other way. Especially rpgs. Mentioning Pokemon is not helping your case."

"Mentioning a bunch of Nintendo titles doesn't mean anything about the Japanese gaming industry. Pokemon is doing well, no shit Sherlock ! Dragon Quest X is not out yet and Monster Hunter is doing well in Japan."

Nintendo has nothing to do with a 'dying' Japanese game industry now. "JESUS Noob Pawning Christ". Lol (That one made me laugh)

"The fact that XIII's gameplay had mixed reception is irrelevant to the reason why XIII-2 was made. They would not have made a sequel to an unsuccessful game. For the first time a numbered FF was basically an rpg / action hybrid, of course it would cause mixed reactions."

Theres just one question. If FF13 was as stellar as you claim why has FF13-2 sold less copies? A lot less copies

We should let other publishers know when your sequel sells less than half the copies of its precessor, its is a 'stellar' success. Get Activision and Cacpom on the phone, we have the jump on Michael Pacter now!

And how can FF13's gameplay have a mixed recpetion and stellar reviews at the same time? The notions are mutually exclusive. (Lol, its highly amusing when you contradict yourself).

If you cant respond to my posts, because I'm a 'troll' you dosent accept you bullshit. Then respond to your own posts. "JESUS Noon pwning Christ" COULD IT BE... GASP...NO...ITS NOT...POSSIBLE... That you've been completely exposed and thus have gone into hiding!!

These are your posts not mine. Respond to them!!

Final Fantasy music went shit since FF2.

FF XIII-2 sales

FF XIII-2's market pool is the people who bought FF XIII, so by default it's smaller. The success of the FF franchise is based on the fact that sequels were just numerical and not narrative so that offered a totally different game based on a different universe every time.

So far, the much smaller production of FF XIII-2 has managed to bring back about a third of the original buyers but we are still talking about the biggest Japanese selling rpg since FF X, in a market with rpgs from Japan struggling.

 I suppose you are trying to present FF XIII-2 sales as a "benchmark" for FF XIII itself. FF X-2, which was deemed as highly successful for its time has sales that are lower than that of FF X, that doesn't mean anything about FF X itself. Narrative sequels are a different thing in FF games than other games but it is a good venture for the company since they have the graphics engine ready and various elements like locations and characters to re use.

The chairman

Mr Yoichi was talking about FF XIV when he said it "greatly damaged Final Fantasy brand". The much prior quote about FF XIII "Some value it highly and some are not very happy with it." was a pretty diplomatic way of being respectable to critical reviews without dismissing them. "Not very happy" is a far cry from damaging the brand, he is very careful with his words after all.

What he is saying about XIII sale expectations is simple and rather typical PR. He says "let's hope so" while he aknowledges that the bar was set too high by VII.

The director

 You accuse me of not answering your points but you didn't answer the part where I mentioned that Toriyama defended FF XIII by saying that people see it from a western perspective and thusly misjudge it. You also didn't answer the part were X-2 was totally different from X.

Rather you took this much expected move, for him to make a brand new game and twisted it so it spells out that since they didn't make an exact copy of XIII that means XIII sucked. As if Square has ever repeated itself.

What Toriyama is saying is simply explaining why it was shaped this particular way, he’s not apologizing.

The reason XIII-2 was made and how it took its current form

If XIII wasn't a success, they wouldn't have a direct sequel. That's what sparked the whole project. Sales and reviews, maybe not for you but for Square would have been enough of a testament for XIII’s worth. They would have dived right away into XIV or Versus instead. XIII success was pretty much guaranteed if anything sorely because of how ridiculously impressive and expensive the game looks and of course the brand name. That coupled with the fact that Momotu Toriyama is the leader behind the scenario, the name who came up with the X-2, I think it was pretty much predetermined that there would be a narrative sequel.

Adding elements and scrapping others isn't really fixing XIII since XIII-2 is a very different game centered around a different pillar this time: being player centered rather than story centered. To say they were trying to fix XIII would be questioning the very concept of FF games that is to have a story and character driven game.

The differences between XIII and XIII-2 isn't sorely a matter of shifting concepts but a matter of production as well. XIII, as I have said, is an enormously expensive game that has you simply passing through 40 hours worth of endless highly detailed environments only once. They couldn't possibly have done something like that with XIII-2. For XIII-2 they left behind large-scale internal development and story based milestones. They managed to maximize the effectiveness of the development process by making better use of the environments, which they make you visit again and again. They also said they couldn't include testers feedback because of the longer than expected development, something they could only do now.

I have already argued on a different thread of this forum that FF XIII is not really an rpg game. The creators said they were trying to work outside genres and do something new. XIII is a mix of rpg, action and tactics. XIII-2 on other hand, not so much, what Kitase said about keeping eyes and ears open for what’s going on in the market is exactly that since XIII was highly criticized for all the things it was not, like being and open game like Skyrim or giving options like Mass Effect. With FF XIII-2 they made a far more straightforward rpg than XIII was which personally disappointed me a little since as one can figure out from my name, I like rpgs that involve tactical thinking.

If anything what Toriyama and Kitase are saying is something that we all knew, that they didn't really listen to anyone while making FF XIII and I absolutely respect that and agree. I think we are coming full circle by visiting the question of what would have happened if they tried to visit older Square rpg gaming styles, like bravely default seems to be doing. Well, it is a long dead gaming style after all and it is the responsibility of a grand game like Final Fantasy to keep digging for some new concept instead of reminiscing about the past.

The case of incompetent developers.

Once again you tried to drag down an amazing number of FF titles like VIII, X and crysis core to make a point that exists in only your head. Momotu Toriyama, he is the guy behind the impeccable FF X, that’s enough credit for a life time.

The Japanese gaming industry, the environment in which FF XIII succeeded.

http://kotaku.com/5430803/bioware-on-the-decline-of-the-jrpg

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/26637/Opinion_2009__The_Last_Days_of_the_Japanese_RPG.php

http://www.1up.com/features/golden-age-jrpgs-xenoblade-pandora-tower-last-story-xseed

http://www.ps4playstation4.com/japanese-gaming-industry-dying

http://www.gamexplain.com/article-446-1307135530-is-the-japanese-rpg-dead.html

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/keiji-inafune-japanese-gaming-industry-is-over-done-finished/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/9159905.stm Is the Japanese gaming industry in crisis?

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/04/02/japanese-gaming-industry-sales-decreased-in-2008/

http://www.gamingcapacity.com/kojima-and-mikami-speak-out-about-the-japanese-gaming-industry/

Sales of highly acclamied Nintendo jrpgs

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/42967/the-last-story/

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/42966/xenoblade-chronicles/

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/49930/pandoras-tower/

And highly acclaimed Xbox 360 jrpgs

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/18652/tales-of-vesperia/

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/7637/lost-odyssey/

That's a true Final Fantasy fan.

Joking aside, about Gilgamesh's original post: We tightly associate OSTs with certain movies or games and we rarely see them as seperate music pieces that stand on their own. So if you didn't really like recent FF games that would probably attribute to your opinion about their respective OST.

I mean seriously, I still fail to understand what sort of argument you were trying to make with this thread. And I feel i should correct myself this is not a troll attempt, your thread was meant to be a full out flame war !

I love the soundtrack to Skyward Sword. The Skyloft theme played over and over in my head as did the theme as you fly through the air. I truly think its beautiful. I agree with SMG2 soundtrack, it felt kinda tacked on after the awesomeness of SMG. I love the boss music of Final Fantasy 3 and I have to bring up Ocarina of Time and Majoras Mask - incredible soundtracks. Music too is important to me. Another I loved was Pokemon Red and Blue. Oh and Skyrim has a really rousing soundtrack. Wow I love soundtracks haha. Almost forgot Okami - incredible soundtrack. Shinshu field is one of the most beautiful pieces of music I've ever heard.

Yeah cuz you know, the earlier you critize the music the more hardcore you get, and cool.

It is my opinion that Skyward Sword had the best OST of all the Legend of Zelda games. I also would rank the Ballad of the Goddess as the one of the best music tracks in gaming - I listen to it almost daily. So all this shows is that different people have different tastes in music and some let their nostalgia get in the way.