TheLibertarian said:
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Joining the applause
Also, in the examples of China and Germany - it's the other way around - Both Mao and Hitler took advantage of the economical and social crises of their respective countries.
TheLibertarian said:
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Joining the applause
Also, in the examples of China and Germany - it's the other way around - Both Mao and Hitler took advantage of the economical and social crises of their respective countries.
I question how storming a church would've gone in the U.S.
Also, the potential results of this ever growing discontent with Putin will be interesting to watch. I'd be interested in watching the Russians give Communism another go if democratic elections remained in place. I feel most of the ills of places like the USSR, the PRC, and the DPRK were borne of their authoritarian regimes, and weren't necessitated by their economic system.
Not to say their economic systems weren't without significant logistical and practical limitations, but I'd like to see somebody try the whole Communism thing again with the people still retaining control over their own government.
And by somebody, I mean somebody else. Not here, in case it goes horribly, disastrously wrong lol.
But I like a lot of the ideals of far left socialism and communism. People working together towards a common goal - the ever improving well being of society - with little emphasis on concepts like money and significant individual wealth.
makingmusic476 said: I question how storming a church would've gone in the U.S. |
People would of been upset.
Police would come and remove them from the property.
After the fine they would of gotten a minor fine and likely a restraining order against going near the church.
Christian groups would of called a protest and boycott. Which being a Punk Rock group would of been mostly useless.
Atheists and anti-religious people would suddenly know their name and buy their CDs/listen to their music on youtube spotify.
Generally, net positive i'd say.
makingmusic476 said: I question how storming a church would've gone in the U.S. Also, the potential results of this ever growing discontent with Putin will be interesting to watch. I'd be interested in watching the Russians give Communism another go if democratic elections remained in place. I feel most of the ills of places like the USSR, the PRC, and the DPRK were borne of their authoritarian regimes, and weren't necessitated by their economic system. Not to say their economic systems weren't without significant logistical and practical limitations, but I'd like to see somebody try the whole Communism thing again with the people still retaining control over their own government. And by somebody, I mean somebody else. Not here, in case it goes horribly, disastrously wrong lol. But I like a lot of the ideals of far left socialism and communism. People working together towards a common goal - the ever improving well being of society - with little emphasis on concepts like money and significant individual wealth. |
It would be very difficult to create such a society in our current global order. By far the most powerful countries in the world are crony/state/market capitalists and if a country tries to move away from this ideology it get's attacked in numerous ways (subversion, wars etc). So what tends to happen is the 'leaders' of those countries that try and experiment with say socialism tend to become very authoritarian as a way of 'guarding' the revolution or transformation of society and form an 'intelligentsia' which is really no different from what we have now. And as we know power can corrupt even the most noble characters and as Orson Wells put it so well, 'All men are created equal but some are more equal than others'.
The only way for a more democratic socialist type world to take place is if it takes place foremost in the most powerful and industrialised countries and spreads from there. Afterall Capitalist Liechtenstein is hardly going to take on a Socialist USA.
Kasz216 said:
People would of been upset. |
Why ask? There's more than enough precedents, like:
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/06/eight_occupy_wa.php
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/montgomery/guilty-verdict-in-moco-synagog.html
Pussy Riot will likely get their 3 years conditional sentence plus some fines and nobody gets hurt, though they've prosecuted in much more serious "incitement to ethnic or racial hatred".
the2real4mafol said:
Yeah definitely, maybe Russia will never be democratic have the illusion of democracy like the west. Putin's a dick |
Fixed/
I was walking down along the street and I heard this voice saying, "Good evening, Mr. Dowd." Well, I turned around and here was this big six-foot rabbit leaning up against a lamp-post. Well, I thought nothing of that because when you've lived in a town as long as I've lived in this one, you get used to the fact that everybody knows your name.
I do not know enough about about Russia's laws and rules, but I do think that what these group of girlks was quite disrespectful, as a lot of posters have written here, it has happened in other countries but I guess the point is that we must understand that it's country has its own set of laws and just because they are different from the US does not make them extremists or anything like it, I mean what would happen if a group of protesters go inside a Synagogue all masked and with cameras and all, they'll probably be called terrorrists and be imprisoned for a long time, will the world react the way its reacting now? I once visited a country where I was told that its ok to date a girl 7 years younger, so If I am 23 I can date a 16 year old girl, when I informed them that thats illegal in the US they looked at me as if I came from a slavery country. to each their own I guess, a church wether you religious or not deserves respect, if you want to protest, do it! just dont break the law.
mai said:
Why ask? There's more than enough precedents, like: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/06/eight_occupy_wa.php http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/montgomery/guilty-verdict-in-moco-synagog.html Pussy Riot will likely get their 3 years conditional sentence plus some fines and nobody gets hurt, though they've prosecuted in much more serious "incitement to ethnic or racial hatred". |
Storming a church during a public sermon doesn't qualify as either of those.
At best it would be "Distrubing of the peace."
Kasz216 said:
Storming a church during a public sermon doesn't qualify as either of those. At best it would be "Distrubing of the peace." |
Kasz, it seemz you're not too good in Russian Law system... )))
And to Mai - I think not 3 years, but smth like 1-1.5 years. Of which technically they already spent 6 months in jail so its not a big deal... Everybody will forget about them and about other disgusting things they were doing before.... (Oh, that chicken in supermarket... They should go in jail THEN, long before this shit started...)
Sharu said:
Kasz, it seemz you're not too good in Russian Law system... ))) |
I was talking about what would happen in the US, based on US law.