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rsala said:

I disagree, Microsoft has a lot of money in their pocket from this generation.


I've always wondered how much MS lost from replacing RROD consoles



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Chris Hu said:
Sal.Paradise said:
Chris Hu said:
Sal.Paradise said:
Microsoft's biggest contribution to gaming could be breaking the third console curse. History is in their hands.


The PS3 started out slow but its still a sucess especially when compared to the N64 and Sega Saturn.   As long as MS can avoid another RROD fiasco their next system is pretty much guranteed to sell more then the 360.

Not a succes in financial terms, which is what the third console curse entails. 

When it comes to finacil success in video games no one can come close to Nintendo the only system they really lost money on was the Virtual Boy.  Aslo they are geniuses when it comes to marketing which is a large part of their success.

Well they lost money last year didn't they. I wasn't really talking about that though. Financial succes is also not as easy to define as 'this console was profitable', it's also relative to your company's previous products on the market. 



Sal.Paradise said:
Chris Hu said:
Sal.Paradise said:
Microsoft's biggest contribution to gaming could be breaking the third console curse. History is in their hands.


The PS3 started out slow but its still a sucess especially when compared to the N64 and Sega Saturn.   As long as MS can avoid another RROD fiasco their next system is pretty much guranteed to sell more then the 360.

Not a succes in financial terms, which is what the third console curse entails. 


Why not ?

I'd say the PS3's greatest acomlishment is to be the first console since the SNES that is more powerful and way more expesnive but is  -i will not say winning but with only by 2 mil behind with a whole year less in the market- at a position of clear advantage.

 

 

Sal.Paradise said:

Well they lost money last year didn't they. I wasn't really talking about that though. Financial succes is also not as easy to define as 'this console was profitable', it's also relative to your company's previous products on the market. 


They lost money because of the price drop (and the yen) but it was just for the year. Now the 3DS is doing well.

 



They can't even spell HDDVD correctly, and we expect them to be credible?

For being written by an Xbox fansite, they really didn't seem to do a good job.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

toadslayer72 said:
It may be you who is in for the rude awakening if Sony charges for online next gen.


They wont do that. The japanese dont take to well to those practices. And, even if they did, it doesnt change the fact that as it stands, microsoft has no arguments.



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fillet said:
Absolutely fucking mornic article.

1. RROD was caused by lead free solder cracking after repeated heating and cooling cycles. Nothing whatsoever todo with cheap parts.

2. Nobody gave a shit about that except Sony fanboys who couldn't make a good argument.

3. Bullshit, lots of loosers cherish their faceplates, I think they're a gimmick but that's just my opinion and I'm certainly not in the majority.

4. This paragraph had the word "future proof" in it. I therefore don't need to comment and just simply laugh like Sagat crossing his arms and take a dump on the article writer's face.

5. More bullshit and completely without any research done whatsoever. Power brick is simply and inconveneince, you know like pressing a button and not being able to interface with the world via a neural network is an inconvenience.

One fucked up piece of shit.

I was going to write a response to this topic, but you said everything I was going to say. That's for saving me the time. You are 100% correct on each point.

I will add that the lead free solder thing went like this. MS designed the Xbox 360 with lead solder in mind, which would hold up just fine at higher temps. The EPA outlawed lead solder and MS was forced to replace it with lead free which isn't as good at higher temps. MS was forced to go to market with a compromised product or start from scratch and redesign the whole thing. They couldn't delay so instead they hoped for the best. The worst happened, but they extended the warrantees and set out to fix the issue in future models.



For every mistake msft made, sony made two...



I agree with the brick part (because it's just stupid) but really... was that a "mistake"?



sethnintendo said:
fillet said:
Absolutely fucking mornic article.

1. RROD was caused by lead free solder cracking after repeated heating and cooling cycles. Nothing whatsoever todo with cheap parts.


"Microsoft has never officially released any information indicating the true cause of the problem. Therefore, any information available to the public has come only from speculation and third party analysis.

Electronics industry newspaper EE Times reported that the problems may have started in the graphics chip. Microsoft designed the chip in-house to cut out the traditional ASIC vendor with the goal of saving money in ASIC design costs. After multiple product failures, Microsoft went back to an ASIC vendor and had the chip redesigned so it would dissipate less heat.[34][35]

German computer magazine c't blamed the problem primarily on the use of the wrong type of lead-free solder, a type that when exposed to elevated temperatures for extended periods of time becomes brittle and can develop hair-line cracks that are almost irreparable.[36] The article also revealed that representatives of the three largest Xbox 360 resellers in the world (EB Games, Gamestop and Best Buy) claimed that the failure rate of the Xbox 360 was between 30% and 33%, and that Micromart, the largest repair shop in the United Kingdom, stopped repairing Xbox 360s because it was unable to fully repair the defective systems. Because of the nature of the problem, Micromart could only make temporary repairs, which led to many of the "repaired" systems failing again after a few weeks. At that time Micromart was receiving 2,500 defective consoles per day from the U.K. alone."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems


Wikipedia can say what it likes. I repair RROD Xbox 360s and can tell you straight it's always down to the solder. Everyone who repairs Xbox 360s knows this, you've heard of "reballing" right. It's a solder term and term that goes hand in hand with the Xbox 360. Basically the console PCB bends due to heating and cooling down, solder cracks. End of strory.

It's not speculation.



kain_kusanagi said:
fillet said:
Absolutely fucking mornic article.

1. RROD was caused by lead free solder cracking after repeated heating and cooling cycles. Nothing whatsoever todo with cheap parts.

2. Nobody gave a shit about that except Sony fanboys who couldn't make a good argument.

3. Bullshit, lots of loosers cherish their faceplates, I think they're a gimmick but that's just my opinion and I'm certainly not in the majority.

4. This paragraph had the word "future proof" in it. I therefore don't need to comment and just simply laugh like Sagat crossing his arms and take a dump on the article writer's face.

5. More bullshit and completely without any research done whatsoever. Power brick is simply and inconveneince, you know like pressing a button and not being able to interface with the world via a neural network is an inconvenience.

One fucked up piece of shit.

I was going to write a response to this topic, but you said everything I was going to say. That's for saving me the time. You are 100% correct on each point.

I will add that the lead free solder thing went like this. MS designed the Xbox 360 with lead solder in mind, which would hold up just fine at higher temps. The EPA outlawed lead solder and MS was forced to replace it with lead free which isn't as good at higher temps. MS was forced to go to market with a compromised product or start from scratch and redesign the whole thing. They couldn't delay so instead they hoped for the best. The worst happened, but they extended the warrantees and set out to fix the issue in future models.


Thanks, :)

I wasn't aware that the Xbox 360 was designed with lead solder in mind and what you say makes a lot of sense.