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So, my brother is an engineer at a company called ncr (relevant), he works on the self check-out machines in supermarkets. When he was in a store he turned his back on his bag for a second to speak to staff, when he turned back his bag was gone. In it he had an Ipod, one of his phones, some tools and his wallet containing £10 in cash, a credit card and a debit card. About 20 minutes later our mum gets a call from some guy on my brother's stolen phone saying he found his bag with everything in it on the 52 bus. My mum gave the guy my brother's other phone number and he called him. When they're talking he says the bag looks like an engineer's bag and asks my brother if he's an engineer. My brother says yes, and then he asks if he works for ncr, my brother says yes. He wants to return the bag, my brother is still at work so he tells him to bring it round to our flat and give it to me. My brother gives him our home number and address and the guy calls our home, I answer and he explains to me what's happened and tells me he's on his way over. I put some clothes on and wait for him to call to let me know when he's outside. About 30 minutes later I get the call, go outside and start looking for his car. As I'm looking my brother arrives back from work in his van, the guy and my brother are on the phone and my brother tells him he's here now so he'll get it himself, he say's "no, no, no it's ok let your brother(me) get it." My bro tells me he wants me to get it so I go up to his car and get it. He leaves, I look in the bag and the phone is still there (which was obvious by now since he was using it), the cards, ipod and tools were all there. Nothing was stolen apart from the £10. 

Now, this is odd for a number of reasons: (3 makes us the most suspicious)

1: How did he know my brother worked at NCR? There was nothing on or in his bag to indicate where he worked, it's a common nike bag containing common tools, nothing specific to his work and nothing with an NCR logo.

2: Who steals a bag only to leave it on a bus without stealing anything inside aside from a £10 note when there's hundreds of £s worth of stuff in there? Furthermore who then picks up an unattended bag on public transport? Since 7/7 (London bus/train bombings) people stay the hell away from unattended bags on buses or trains.

3: The store my brother works at showed him the security tape of the person stealing the bag, he was described to me as dark skinned (pakistani/indian) with black thick-rimmed glasses and wearing dark clothes. The guy I met outside who returned my brother's bag matches this description. He had dark skin, black thick-rimmed glasses and was wearing a dark jumper. AND he insisted on ME getting the bag when my brother was in his sight and he could see me talking to him. Maybe he knew he'd be on tape so he didn't want my brother to ID him.

This is just weird. I mean nothing was taken (apart from cash), but he could of taken pictures of the cards so he'd have the details. Maybe he didn't take the Ipod/phone because they could of had tracking devices in them, but if that's so then why would he return it instead of just ditching it somewhere? 

Are we just over-thinking some innocent man's kind actions or is something shady going on?



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He will use that credit card information later and milk your brother's account lol.



spurgeonryan said:
Probably stole it and then either had a change of heart or he realized someone might recognize him on camera.

Most likely this, but he was just such a weird guy... seemed so shady. My brother really feels like he's being conned somehow lol

Or he wanted to scope out your house.

This is what I was afraid of when I went outside to look for him, all he'd have to do is give he the wrong description of a car and I'd be outside looking for quite a while, leaving my house empty. I doubt he'd go to such great lengths for this though, if he wanted to scope my house he could simply drive past it. He never wanted to go inside my flat to give it to me, he said he'd be "around the corner."

I have to go to work now but I'm making sure my brother stays at home just in case.





Slimebeast said:
He will use that credit card information later and milk your brother's account lol.

My brother's gonna cancel his cards or whatever you do to them. 



Call the police ?



 

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I just skimmed the OP in a rush to post my story because I'm a self absorbed asshole.

My sister got married to a guy (not a bad guy btw) and his wedding ring disappeared from their house. The guy's brother claimed that he found some third guy with the wedding ring and that he took the ring back by force. The brother returned the ring to them but ONLY if they paid him $20 for his trouble.

Great guy, that brother in law. Great guy. I didn't hear about this until after it was all over but I think I could have gotten that ring back for free.

--and now, I'll read the OP.



Change your credit card numbers. Also, I would have never agreed to meet the person at your house. You'd be surprised how easy it is to learn somebody's schedule, kick in the front door, and make off with whatever you want in a matter of minutes.

I'd be on high alert for a little while.



Does sound a bit odd and really you have left the bag where it was. I have had something stolen for me literally from behind my back in the past, so its always best to keep it hidden. Would be best to cancel the cards, as although he won't have the PIN or verification details, some websites accept payments without them.

Also, don't be that surprised soemone picked it up (if that's is what happened). Although a number wouldn't go near an unattended bag, not everyone will be that safety concious/paranoid.



That guy knows all your phone numbers, address, your brother's credit card #s, ALL the information from his phone, his driver's license info, everything. It wouldn't be too difficult for the guy to steal your brother's identity.

Through the info on his phone alone, he knows what kind of a relationship he has with anyone just by reading the text messages, etc. Take any information you have on this guy (phone #, etc.) to the police as soon as possible. Your family should be very aware of the potential trouble that could come from this.



Probably figured if he only took the money then no one would pursue it, whereas had he took the electronics he surely would have been found out later.

As for NCR... was your brothers iPhone locked? maybe something in there showed his work as in his SMS or other messages.