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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/23/us-iran-usa-nuclear-idUSBRE82M0G020120323
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/mossad-cia-agree-iran-has-yet-to-decide-to-build-nuclear-weapon-1.419300
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/middle-east/120225/iran-us-spies-cia-nuclear-bomb-tehran-iaea-video

Iran is not building nuclear weapons and there is no sufficient reason to declare war on them. That being said, invading Iran would be disastrous. The Americans have been singling out and destroying Russian allies for years now, effectively playing the Great Game in place of Britain and doing entirely too good of a job at it. Russia has been backed into a corner and if they invade Iran I am certain that Russia will intervene. This would of course escalate into World War III. We are on the precipice of the Final War my friends, prepare for annihilation.



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bouzane said:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/23/us-iran-usa-nuclear-idUSBRE82M0G020120323
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/mossad-cia-agree-iran-has-yet-to-decide-to-build-nuclear-weapon-1.419300
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/middle-east/120225/iran-us-spies-cia-nuclear-bomb-tehran-iaea-video

Iran is not building nuclear weapons and there is no sufficient reason to declare war on them. That being said, invading Iran would be disastrous. The Americans have been singling out and destroying Russian allies for years now, effectively playing the Great Game in place of Britain and doing entirely too good of a job at it. Russia has been backed into a corner and if they invade Iran I am certain that Russia will intervene. This would of course escalate into World War III. We are on the precipice of the Final War my friends, prepare for annihilation.


Russia won't intervene if Iran is attacked. The US has sent 4 aircraft carriers to the Persian Gulf. What has Russia sent? They even cancelled the sale of the S-300 SAMs under US/Israeli pressure. Russia and Iran are distant allies, neighbours even but there's no military pact between them. Russia is more concerned with it's near abroad, countries that were once part of the USSR. The US preoccupation with Iraq, Afghanistan and now Iran has allowed Russia to more confidently reassert it's authority in it's traditional 'sphere of influence'. Of course high oil and gas prices have helped it too. Attacking Iran won't unleash WW3, it will just be another really messy Middle Eastern war that will cost the US hundreds of billions and destabilise the region a lot more. Not to mention the untold number of deaths such a war would cause.



Future American invasion of Iran. Americans invaded Iraq for allegedly having nukes and WMDs but after many years searching Iraq they found no nuclear weapons and no WMDs.



Badassbab said:
bouzane said:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/23/us-iran-usa-nuclear-idUSBRE82M0G020120323
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/mossad-cia-agree-iran-has-yet-to-decide-to-build-nuclear-weapon-1.419300
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/middle-east/120225/iran-us-spies-cia-nuclear-bomb-tehran-iaea-video

Iran is not building nuclear weapons and there is no sufficient reason to declare war on them. That being said, invading Iran would be disastrous. The Americans have been singling out and destroying Russian allies for years now, effectively playing the Great Game in place of Britain and doing entirely too good of a job at it. Russia has been backed into a corner and if they invade Iran I am certain that Russia will intervene. This would of course escalate into World War III. We are on the precipice of the Final War my friends, prepare for annihilation.


Russia won't intervene if Iran is attacked. The US has sent 4 aircraft carriers to the Persian Gulf. What has Russia sent? They even cancelled the sale of the S-300 SAMs under US/Israeli pressure. Russia and Iran are distant allies, neighbours even but there's no military pact between them. Russia is more concerned with it's near abroad, countries that were once part of the USSR. The US preoccupation with Iraq, Afghanistan and now Iran has allowed Russia to more confidently reassert it's authority in it's traditional 'sphere of influence'. Of course high oil and gas prices have helped it too. Attacking Iran won't unleash WW3, it will just be another really messy Middle Eastern war that will cost the US hundreds of billions and destabilise the region a lot more. Not to mention the untold number of deaths such a war would cause.


While your scenario is 100% plausible I have to ask one question. When does Russia say enough is enough? If not during an invasion of Iran then when do the Russians seize the opportunity to attack a weakened United States while also protecting their own interests? Alright, I guess that was technically two questions :P



SamuelRSmith said:
TheLibertarian said:
I don't understand why everyone worries about this, they won't start a nuclear war one they have nukes. Why? Because they don't want to die either.


Because the opinion molders have told us to worry about this.


This ^^^.

They can do whatever they want as long as they don't cause us harm.  Beyond that, I do not care at all.  If these busy-body doomsday people would do any research or even go to Iran, they would see they are a relatively peaceful country.  They don't want a war any more than we do. 

I don't think weapons contracts and keeping military personnel deployed due to a third unnecessary conflict overseas is a wise idea.  At this point, our government pretty much deserves what it gets.  I have no sympathy.  We are totally lost in this country.  People are blind.



 

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NobleTeam360 said:
Someone said the USA was a democracy which is wrong it is a republic. There is a difference.


Absolutely right.  Constitutional Republic.  The founders hated the idea of a democracy, because it would mean 51% could bully the other 49% who disagreed.



 

Kasz216 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

i don't see the point of spreading all this  fear. all this coming from the mainstream media as well. But, somehow everyone forgot Pakistan have nukes, and there is supposedly talibans in there.

So your point is... one really unstable country that may have terrorists in it has nukes so we should hand them out to every unstable nation with terrorists in it?

Have you really thought this arguement through?


That and the "The US is the only country to have used nukes" are about the laziest, uncritically most unthought out arguements I've ever seen on the issue.

Nearly every country that surrounds Iran has nukes, so wouldn't you at least acknowledge why it might be natural for them to want nukes as well?  If they were a nuclear state like us and so many of our allies, they would be given more respect and people wouldn't be so quick to dismiss and ridicule them. 

The media, and therefore most people over here are totally blind and ignorant when it comes to nations that are not fully westernized and Christian.  The argument you just made basically stating that any country we deem "unstable" that "has terrorists in it" shouldn't have nukes, I believe is grievously incorrect.

There are terrorists in the United States as well, does that mean from another country's perspective we shouldn't be allowed to have nukes either?  Who gets to decide that?  Who are we to go around the world and determine who does and doesn't deserve to have nuclear weapons?  Who is anyone else to determine whether or not we are?  What makes us in the US so special that we have the right to determine what other nations are and are not allowed to do? 



 

Kasz216 said:
Icy-Zone said:
Is it just me or does OP seem a little racist towards Arabs and Muslims? I'm not even trolling. This is coming from observing his stance on numerous topics pertaining to the Middle East. Maybe you should befriend some Arabs and Persians, they're the kindest friends I have, and I'm African-Canadian.

I do have freinds who came from the Middle east.  Work for a middleastern guy too... none of them want Iran to have Nuclear weapons.

I'm not racist against the middle eastern people.  I'm not a fan of unstable dictatorships having nuclear weapons no matter where they are located.

Wasn't for North Korea having Nuclear weapons either.

If there was a way to get Nuclear weapons away from Belarus, that'd be awesome.

If Iran was a stable democracy mostly free of corruption (Say one that would be listed a "Full Democracy" in the Democracy index) fine.

We should be limiting nuclear weapons to dictatorships because dictatorships are unstable... and are run by peopel who will be put in an unwinnable corner.


How is Iran unstable? You know what makes a nation unstable, constantly issolating and threatening them . How about invading them, surely that doesn't have a good track record either. Also, what's so great about democracy? Corruption is present in every system including democracy. For example, it costs the American military-industrial complex about 20% of its budget. If corruption is so rampant in the complex that houses the world's second largest nuclear arsenal then why worry so much more about Iranian corruption? All that being said, I oppose further nuclear proliferation so it's a good thing that Iran's nuclear program is for civilian use.



Icy-Zone said:
Kasz216 said:

Oh... and I think most Iranians would generally take offense at that video "Telling their side of the story".

I quite think you'd be arrested as soon as you hit the section on Religion...

So i'm not quite sure why you thought that video was going to give me the Iranian perspective.


Because the film was focused purely on religion and didn't cover topics such as the Israel's unlawful occupation of land, and the threat of a very unstable and aggressive country called America. I'm sure the majority (keyword since you love democracy so much) of Iranians would agree with, and already understand much of what was shown.

Basically put, if Iran isn't allowed nukes, the US shouldn't be allowed either.

If you want to follow a scoreboard for nuke usage (this could possibly be a way to measure stability, even though stability is hardly quantifiable) we can say that the US has two points:  for the bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, whilst the Iranians have a score of 0. So to say that Iran is the type that would drop nukes should they acquire some, is purely speculation as there has been no past behaviour, on their part, that would suggeset they would.

Thank you and have a great day.

It always comes down to Israel.

Israel is the big obsession of communists and muslims. Apart from the persecution of Jews throughout history, the hate towards Israel is by far the strongest in political history ever.

 



sperrico87 said:
Kasz216 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

i don't see the point of spreading all this  fear. all this coming from the mainstream media as well. But, somehow everyone forgot Pakistan have nukes, and there is supposedly talibans in there.

So your point is... one really unstable country that may have terrorists in it has nukes so we should hand them out to every unstable nation with terrorists in it?

Have you really thought this arguement through?


That and the "The US is the only country to have used nukes" are about the laziest, uncritically most unthought out arguements I've ever seen on the issue.

Nearly every country that surrounds Iran has nukes, so wouldn't you at least acknowledge why it might be natural for them to want nukes as well?  If they were a nuclear state like us and so many of our allies, they would be given more respect and people wouldn't be so quick to dismiss and ridicule them. 

The media, and therefore most people over here are totally blind and ignorant when it comes to nations that are not fully westernized and Christian.  The argument you just made basically stating that any country we deem "unstable" that "has terrorists in it" shouldn't have nukes, I believe is grievously incorrect.

There are terrorists in the United States as well, does that mean from another country's perspective we shouldn't be allowed to have nukes either?  Who gets to decide that?  Who are we to go around the world and determine who does and doesn't deserve to have nuclear weapons?  Who is anyone else to determine whether or not we are?  What makes us in the US so special that we have the right to determine what other nations are and are not allowed to do? 

Theocratic rogue states shouldn't have nukes. Any sane person should agree with that, unless you belong to either part of the clash of civilizations (Western freedom & secular democracy ideals versus Third world religious & apocalyptic ideals and/or communist worldwide revolution illusions).