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NorthStar on 24 April 2007
BenKenobi88 said:

Downloadable content is not here for the mainstream, and it won't be for a few years at least.

I don't know about BR/HDDVD though either...I can see more advanced disc formats coming out in a couple years...who knows.

All I know is I'm not buying into it now. Blu Ray has not yet won, though it is doing better. When one of the formats can take over DVD, then they have won in my opinion. Personally, I like HD-DVDs because they tend to come with DVDs in a combo...very nice for watching if there's no HD player handy...or for buying now and getting an HD-DVD player later.

EDIT:  Kwaad, what's with the Lucas quote?  Is that supposed to be powerful words against the Wii?  Or what...it just seems like an answer to what the Wii's capabilities are... 

I don't see Dowloadable movies taking over any Hardcopy format. I for one like to actually Own the movie and if someone wants to borrow it they can. Not to mention the people who take great pride in thier movie collection.

The HD-DVD /DVD combo disc is gone soon i hear. WB was the company doing that on HD-DVD . Now they seem to want to do dual side discs with one side HD-DVD other side Bluray.

 BTW  Old Ben Kenobi 88 you seem very reluctant to jump ship on anything tried and true.:) You sound to be the guy that still has a masive wall of VHS's :p I didn't adopt to DVD until PS2... I was like these things will never outsell VHS because of the price difference. Now the only VHS i still have are my DBZ's I like the pictures they make (i still need last 3 of cell games on VHS) 

 



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BenKenobi88 on 24 April 2007

No, I only own a few VHSs...home movies and a few movies that I don't care to buy a DVD of...

I don't own a ton of DVDs either...my friends and I are in the habit of watching as many movies as we can before we die, and we usually just rent them.

 But neither myself nor any of my friends feel the need to waste money on HD discs right now...this is not the same as the VHS/DVD transition...we really are fine watching DVDs on 45 inch tvs right now.  When they get affordable, then I probably will go for it.  I think anybody who bought a $500 DVD player was dumb, just like I think people that buy BluRay and HDDVD content now are dumb.  If you really want the content, at least hold yourself for 12 months, and you'll save yourself a buttload of cash.



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shams on 24 April 2007
NorthStar said:
shams said:
Hus said:

Since the high-def format's inception -- HD DVD launched in April 2006, while Blu-ray got rolling two months later -- more than 2.14 million discs have been purchased by consumers: 1.2 million Blu-ray Discs and about 937,500 HD DVDs.

Wow... 2million sales (approx 1m per format) in 12 months. I'm SOOO impressed.

 

 

 


The resistance to DVD was much greater ...how long did it take DVD sales to hit 2 million....and there was no format war

You are kidding... right? Resistance to DVD? The only "resistance" I can remember for DVD, was that players started expensive - and came down gradually. There was never a question of should I upgrade - just when.

Everyone was familiar with discs (CD's), and knew the benefit over tapes:

 - analog vrs digital signal
 - no need to rewind!
 - instant jump to any chapter/spot in the movie
 - longer lifetime (many of my tapes have died since)
 - significant improvement in picture quality

You can't possibly compare this to BluRay/HD-DVD vrs DVD - its just silly. The only benefit for Blu/HD is a higher resolution picture - and only when you have the matching high-resolution compatible display device to watch it on. DVD's were an instant benefit for everyone.

...

How old are you? How many VHS tapes do you have in your collection? I can remember my parents recording "Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind" off TV - back in 1981, with a wired VHS remote.



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shams on 24 April 2007
Kwaad said:
shams said:
Kwaad said:

You are still missing the point, aren't you...

The companies that support HD-DVD are doing WELL, and are EXTREMELY happy with its performance. As long as this continues - and they keep bringing in the profit (which is MORE money than they would with BluRay) there is no reason for them to switch over.

Even if BluRay players outnumber HD-DVD players 3:1 - the number of companies/support for BluRay may outnumber it 10:1. So... when someone wants to buy a movie that runs on their BluRay player, these companies have MORE chance of making a sale.

This is not about wanting to watch a specific movie - its about having some media to show off your new-fangled handware/TV. No one with a HD-DVD player is going to say "Ohh - this movie only comes on on BluRay - I better buy a player" - they will just buy the DVD instead, and complain to their retailer.

 


So what your saying is. No matter who wins, the customer looses. Kinda like, in HD the customer always looses too right? Kidna like buying a 500$ sound system... everyone looses. Or buying a computer... everyone looses... Hell, buying food. Everyone looses.

Dude. You should explain yourself, and make some sense, becuase it would be hard to make less sense than you just did. Oh, yeah, BTW, the companies that support both, are happier with their BluRay performance than HD-DVD. The HD-DVD exclusive companies are MUCH happier with their HD-DVD sales than their BluRay sales. Mainly because it is ∞:0.


Ummm... Im not exactly sure how you got to the "every customer looses" conclusion, but I'll let that go and try and explain myself better.

- Assume people go and buy either a HD-DVD player, BluRay player - or both. Some people bought it on purpose (because they have "too much money"), or part of a package deal (i.e. "PS3").

- Once you have this EXPENSIVE piece of equipment, you want to do something on it... right? It might have cost you $200US - or as much as $1000US. Either way, without a movie its worthless.

- You head out and buy a movie (or three). Your local store has 30 BluRay movies- and 15 HD-DVD movies. Assume they are the same price (sort of irrelevant - you just blew hundreds on a player, what an extra $100 for a few movies... right?)

- In this situation you don't really care that much what movies you get. You'll avoid anything that completely sucks, and prefer anything you really dig - or looks cool in HiDef (sfx, etc). The result is, that maybe 75% of the movies available - for either format - will do you for a purchase.

...

How many movie studios support HD-DVD? 3(?) How many support BluRay? 10?

Say BluRay (player) sales are double HD-DVD sales - 500k vrs 250k.

Now on average - each studio sells about 85k units for HD-DVD... and 50k for BluRay.

Now you tell me - which set of studios is better off?

...

Its not that different from how console + game sales work - and its all about the install base. Except that content is much more irrelevant for movies than games. There are so many movies available, and in the end - everything is also available on DVD. Until that stops, or BluRay players establish a massive install base lead (say 10x) - this is like squabbling over pennies dropped from a cash sale. Its pretty much pointless.

 

 



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Kwaad on 24 April 2007
shams said:
Kwaad said:
shams said:
Kwaad said:

You are still missing the point, aren't you...

The companies that support HD-DVD are doing WELL, and are EXTREMELY happy with its performance. As long as this continues - and they keep bringing in the profit (which is MORE money than they would with BluRay) there is no reason for them to switch over.

Even if BluRay players outnumber HD-DVD players 3:1 - the number of companies/support for BluRay may outnumber it 10:1. So... when someone wants to buy a movie that runs on their BluRay player, these companies have MORE chance of making a sale.

This is not about wanting to watch a specific movie - its about having some media to show off your new-fangled handware/TV. No one with a HD-DVD player is going to say "Ohh - this movie only comes on on BluRay - I better buy a player" - they will just buy the DVD instead, and complain to their retailer.

 


So what your saying is. No matter who wins, the customer looses. Kinda like, in HD the customer always looses too right? Kidna like buying a 500$ sound system... everyone looses. Or buying a computer... everyone looses... Hell, buying food. Everyone looses.

Dude. You should explain yourself, and make some sense, becuase it would be hard to make less sense than you just did. Oh, yeah, BTW, the companies that support both, are happier with their BluRay performance than HD-DVD. The HD-DVD exclusive companies are MUCH happier with their HD-DVD sales than their BluRay sales. Mainly because it is ∞:0.


Ummm... Im not exactly sure how you got to the "every customer looses" conclusion, but I'll let that go and try and explain myself better.

- Assume people go and buy either a HD-DVD player, BluRay player - or both. Some people bought it on purpose (because they have "too much money"), or part of a package deal (i.e. "PS3").

- Once you have this EXPENSIVE piece of equipment, you want to do something on it... right? It might have cost you $200US - or as much as $1000US. Either way, without a movie its worthless.

- You head out and buy a movie (or three). Your local store has 30 BluRay movies- and 15 HD-DVD movies. Assume they are the same price (sort of irrelevant - you just blew hundreds on a player, what an extra $100 for a few movies... right?)

- In this situation you don't really care that much what movies you get. You'll avoid anything that completely sucks, and prefer anything you really dig - or looks cool in HiDef (sfx, etc). The result is, that maybe 75% of the movies available - for either format - will do you for a purchase.

...

How many movie studios support HD-DVD? 3(?) How many support BluRay? 10?

Say BluRay (player) sales are double HD-DVD sales - 500k vrs 250k.

Now on average - each studio sells about 85k units for HD-DVD... and 50k for BluRay.

Now you tell me - which set of studios is better off?

...

Its not that different from how console + game sales work - and its all about the install base. Except that content is much more irrelevant for movies than games. There are so many movies available, and in the end - everything is also available on DVD. Until that stops, or BluRay players establish a massive install base lead (say 10x) - this is like squabbling over pennies dropped from a cash sale. Its pretty much pointless.

 

 


That makes more sense, however I feel that everyone wins when HD-DVD is gone. (well everyone but Toshiba, and the poor x-bots that bought a HD-DVD player, and the people who bought a HD-DVD player)

I think it was today, that the 'A night at the Musem' was released exclusive to BluRay. Let's see how it sells. As I feel it will be a MUCH bigger hit than 007.

Box office numbers.

38. Night at the Museum (2006) $249,869,448
119. Casino Royale (2006) $167,007,184

 

Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest May 22, 2007
Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl May 22, 2007

That's next month... Moral of the story, can HD-DVD rival BluRay with almost every big movie from last year coming to BluRay this year exclusive?

Amazon.com Sales Rank: #30 in DVD (See Top Sellers in DVD) (Night at the musem)



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