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Who will exit the market next gen?

Sony 225 49.02%
 
Microsoft 98 21.35%
 
Nintendo 67 14.60%
 
Sony & Nintendo 20 4.36%
 
Microsoft & Nintendo 21 4.58%
 
Microsoft & Sony 27 5.88%
 
Total:458
NintendoPie on 12 July 2012
Andrespetmonkey said:
NintendoPie said:

Somebody? How about Miyamoto/Reggie/Iwata saying it? Yes, they count as "somebody from Nintendo." They are also head of the company and make the decisions for the company.

They just wouldn't it, they would drop out if they can't make their own titles for their own systems. I doubt even Sony would want to do that.

Okay, I think it's pretty naive to think that. It's like saying Microsoft will stop making a shitload of money off Windows because they need to stop making hardware.

What? They never made HardWare for their OS. They had others do it. I'm not sure what you're are trying to say here.

I will leave it at that. I disagree.







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WiiBox3 on 12 July 2012

I can't see any of them leaving.



Jay520 on 12 July 2012
NintendoPie said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
NintendoPie said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
If anything, maybe either Sony or Nintendo will start to only do software. Microsoft won't die. Nobody will exit the market completely though.

Nintendo will never do only SoftWare, they already said that would never happen. So if they are out, they are out.

Somebody from Nintendo saying it doesn't mean a thing. And IMO they'd be incredibly stupid to not put their IP on other platforms if their financial situation gets to the point where creating new hardware isn't worth the risk. They're IP has tremendous selling potential on other platforms, imagine how much Pokemon or Mario on IOS/Andriod would sell for example. Same applies to Sony. 

Somebody? How about Miyamoto/Reggie/Iwata saying it?

They just wouldn't it, they would drop out if they can't make their own titles for their own systems. I doubt even Sony would want to do that.



I find it worrying that you word your predictions as facts. You don't say "I don't think" or its "its highly unlikely". This would show that you acknowledge that there is a chance, albeit a small one, that you can be wrong. Instead, you say "they just wouldn't". You word it as if there is absolutely no chance that you could be wrong even with the most unpredictable circumstances. It's quite difficult to debate with someone with that mentality.

You speak as if you have some divine knowledge of the future. We all know what Nintendo said, but that doesn't mean their past words will be absolutely representative of their future actions. For an example of a company changing their strategy, look at Sony who shunned motion controls as a fad. Despite saying that, they still created the Move due to unpredictable circumstances

NintendoPie on 12 July 2012
Jay520 said:



I find it worrying that you word your predictions as facts. You don't say "I don't think" or its "its highly unlikely". This would show that you acknowledge that there is a chance, albeit a small one, that you can be wrong. Instead, you say "they just wouldn't". You word it as if there is absolutely no chance that you could be wrong even with the most unpredictable circumstances. It's quite difficult to debate with someone with that mentality.

You speak as if you have some divine knowledge of the future. We all know what Nintendo said, but that doesn't mean their past words will be absolutely representative of their future actions. For an example of a company changing their strategy, look at Sony who shunned motion controls as a fad. Despite saying that, they still created the Move due to unpredictable circumstances

That's not a very good example. Sony would do that because they see how well it worked out for Nintendo. 

When a company can't make games for themselves anymore they give up some of their reign since they "work" for another company. I doubt any of the current Console makers would want to do that.



Jay520 on 12 July 2012
NintendoPie said:
Jay520 said:



I find it worrying that you word your predictions as facts. You don't say "I don't think" or its "its highly unlikely". This would show that you acknowledge that there is a chance, albeit a small one, that you can be wrong. Instead, you say "they just wouldn't". You word it as if there is absolutely no chance that you could be wrong even with the most unpredictable circumstances. It's quite difficult to debate with someone with that mentality.

You speak as if you have some divine knowledge of the future. We all know what Nintendo said, but that doesn't mean their past words will be absolutely representative of their future actions. For an example of a company changing their strategy, look at Sony who shunned motion controls as a fad. Despite saying that, they still created the Move due to unpredictable circumstances

That's not a very good example. Sony would do that because they see how well it worked out for Nintendo. 

When a company can't make games for themselves anymore they give up some of their reign since they "work" for another company. I doubt any of the current Console makers would want to do that.



Exactly, circumstances can change in ways no one could have predicted. You're last sentence is better though. Its not stated like a fact like your other posts.

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NintendoPie on 12 July 2012
Jay520 said:
NintendoPie said:

That's not a very good example. Sony would do that because they see how well it worked out for Nintendo. 

When a company can't make games for themselves anymore they give up some of their reign since they "work" for another company. I doubt any of the current Console makers would want to do that.


Exactly, circumstances can change in ways no one could have predicted. You're last sentence is better though. Its not stated like a fact like your other posts.

 I doubt even Sony would want to do that.

I basically stated that in my last post. 

I guess you are right though, it is just words. But I highly doubt Nintendo would do that.



Jay520 on 12 July 2012
NintendoPie said:
Jay520 said:
NintendoPie said:

That's not a very good example. Sony would do that because they see how well it worked out for Nintendo. 

When a company can't make games for themselves anymore they give up some of their reign since they "work" for another company. I doubt any of the current Console makers would want to do that.


Exactly, circumstances can change in ways no one could have predicted. You're last sentence is better though. Its not stated like a fact like your other posts.

 I doubt even Sony would want to do that.

I basically stated that in my last post. 

I guess you are right though, it is just words. But I highly doubt Nintendo would do that.



Why did you requote your sentence? It's already quoted.

You basically already posted what I would say in your last sentence in this post.

happydolphin on 12 July 2012
kowenicki said:

well...

none of them in my opinion.

But if I really really have to pick one then Sony, financial are horrible and will continue to be so, despite what they said in their last end of year report (look at their simply woeful currency predictions -way off). Meaning they will miss their financial targets.... again! If this happens then there is a very real chance they start to break up large parts of the corporation. What that would mean for Playstation? I have no idea.

People keep saying MS just want to have a place in the living room.... but both Sony and MS already left the dedicated console race THIS gen... they sell games machines that are also multimedia devices, next gen they will sell multimedia devices that can also play games...

What they mean is that it's a direction, so in the end, in their eyes, MS has little interest in the dedicated gaming market. That was just to get a foot in the door. So in the end, if the gaming aspect of their hub living room machine fades away it's no biggie.

And this has to do with OP because this ties in with MS's CURRENT (gen 8) plans for the nextbox to have a big emphasis on streaming and digital content, above and beyond just games.

HTH



happydolphin on 12 July 2012
JEMC said:

Hard to say, and the most sensible answer would be none of them. It's a very lucrative business.

But, since there is no fun in that, I'll guess and say that it will be Nintendo who leaves the home console hardware market.

Both Microsoft and Sony see their consoles not only as consoles, but also as multimedia devices that can also be used to sell some of their other products, gadgets like Kinnect and software like Win8 in the case of Microsoft and TVs, HiFi, etc as well as their music and movie services in the case of Sony.

That leaves us with Nintendo, which sees the consoles as a way to sell their games. What effect does the hardware side of their business have? As of late, it only makes them lose money. Sure, having their own console was a good move in the past but now it's going against them. Because of this, and the pressure of their shareholders to develop for other devices (mostly smartphones), they are the most prone to quit the hardware side of the business and go third party.

But as I said, I don't expect anyone to leave anytime soon.

Nintendo makes alot of money on royalties, and their hardware usually yields profit (even their latest ones, the 3DS is breaking even in August).

Also, having a console gives a developer much more presence in the industry, hence bolstering the sales of their games.

So I really disagree with this post, especially bold. Anyways "now" stands for what, the 3DS? The DS also staggered to take off in the west, so the current trends are indicator of nothing yet, other than that it's a sensation in Japan.



NintendoPie on 12 July 2012
Jay520 said:



Why did you requote your sentence? It's already quoted.

You basically already posted what I would say in your last sentence in this post.

It wasn't already quoted because I didn't want a quote tree.

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