richardhutnik said: Jay520 said: richardhutnik said: Jay520 said: You're right. Everyone is going to pick the m Pesmerga7551 said: I didn't vote none, as that is a cowards pick. I don't see Sony or Nintendo going anywhere. Gaming is what they do, more so Nintendo. MicroSoft is the only one I can actually see leaving the market, so I vote for them. You are right. None is the most boring answer and that's what everyone's going to pick. Changing poll now. I'm also getting rid of the 'everybody' option. I don't want any neutral votes. A poll has much more meaning when each of the options actually mean something. The thread title is, "Who will survive?"  The poll talks about who is leaving.  As it is now, I can't vote for any.  If I were to say which one is more likely to exit, looking at either Sony, due to the losses, or Microsoft, if it gets bored with the console market. Actually, the poll is a yes or no question. The poll is: Who will exit the market next gen? Among the list of choices is one or two of the console makers of this generation.  Nowhere is none there, so not sure how yes or no fits here.  It is who from what I see.

Sorry, I meant to say the title is a yes or no question.

Michael-5 said: We're getting less and less exclusives? Last time I checked PS3 had more first party exclusives, and 360/Wii have more exclusives then their predecessors in general.

I'm talking about exclusives in general. Not just first party exclusives. The vast majority of developers are 3rd party developers. In past generations, 3rd parties would develop games exclusively to one console, whichever was the market leader. Now, nearly every 3rd party developer makes multiplatform games. As evident by the PS3 & 360 very similar library. This generation, the Wii was the only console with a mainly exclusive library. This means that this generation has seen less exclusives than the immediate generations before it.

Also consider the fact that Nintendo intends to change next generation by luring in as many 3rd parties to their system as possible. It is likely that there will be no console with mainly an exclusively library. The only exclusives next generation will be first party. And of course, the amount of first-party developers pale in comparison to number of third-party developers. Thus, next generation, we will be getting even less exclusives.

Nintendo won't leave. They just...won't. Even if the WiiU bombs (which it won't), the success of the 3DS will carry them through.

MS could easily leave next-gen, but they'll move more to casual, to promote connectivity with phones etc., so they'll stay.

Sony is most likely to leave, but they won't. They can't afford to have another PS3 or Vita. They have to have a good priced, underpowered console. But why not get a Ninty or MS system, if you don't care for exclusives?

I see, if any go, it'll be Sony to 3rd party.

curtisghall said: http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2012/07/15/what-microsoft-buying-activision-would-mean-for-playstation/ If this happens then Microsoft could dominate

that aint gonna happen. microsoft aint even in the frame to buy activision.

Jay520 said: Michael-5 said: We're getting less and less exclusives? Last time I checked PS3 had more first party exclusives, and 360/Wii have more exclusives then their predecessors in general. I'm talking about exclusives in general. Not just first party exclusives. The vast majority of developers are 3rd party developers. In past generations, 3rd parties would develop games exclusively to one console, whichever was the market leader. Now, nearly every 3rd party developer makes multiplatform games. As evident by the PS3 & 360 very similar library. This generation, the Wii was the only console with a mainly exclusive library. This means that this generation has seen less exclusives than the immediate generations before it. Also consider the fact that Nintendo intends to change next generation by luring in as many 3rd parties to their system as possible. It is likely that there will be no console with mainly an exclusively library. The only exclusives next generation will be first party. And of course, the amount of first-party developers pale in comparison to number of third-party developers. Thus, next generation, we will be getting even less exclusives.

That's not a fair comparision because PS2 monopolized the market last gen and got so many exclusives because of that. Now that this gen, sales between the 3 main consoles are more averaged out, it makes much less sense to make an exclusive title.

If your going to count exclusives all together, it's a much fairer comparision to compare the number of PS2 exclusives to that of HD exclusives (games not on the Wii), and if you do that, there are still much more this gen.

 

I get your point, but it's more accurate to say that consoles are becoming more and more similar, and the market is being divided, so 3rd party exclusives are no longer staying exclusive to one platform. Regardless, if that were the case, then if 1 console leaves, I would think all similar consoles would die out too. I.E. if the next X-Box and PS4 are as similar as the 360 and PS3, then if one of the two couldn't compete with sales I would expect both systems to die out.

Either way, there is more diversity now then their was before. Last Gen 3/4 consoles sold were PS2's and the other 1/4 were High graphic Gamecube and X-Box's. This gen it's 1/2 and 1/2 with HD systems and SD system, each with their own unique library.

Anyway, I think next gen will be the same as this one, but there might be a 3rd Higher graphic system by Valve, so even more competition.

NightDragon83 said: halil23 said: Pesmerga7551 said: NightDragon83 said: halil23 said: I voted ms, cause who would want a satanist corp to continue getting away with it... (sad day in gaming industry) Every time Sony fans attack M$ for being a soulless, evil megacorporation that's just in the videogame industry for the $$$, the irony meter explodes into a small mushroom cloud. Well, to be fair it's far more accurate than saying that about Sony. It all comes from their culture (Sony's). Microsoft non-existent presence in Japan isn't a coincidence. If we people in the US had the same high standards of business and personal ethics, Microsoft would be out of the console market in the US too. But, this society honestly is f**ked up. Thank you Pesmerga7551. @ NightDragon83, I guess you still living under a rock, the world is so corrupt that it mostly runs by freemasons/illuminati, ever heard of them?! Wake up and fight for your rights!! >_> There's freemasons out there?  Sweet... I'm about to put an addition on my home, and was worried I'd have to pay through the roof (pardon the pun) for some masonry work, but now I don't have to worry since there's good hard working folks out there who'll do the job for free!

Hilarious.

There are people like that, but they only do it for charity, but hey man sharing is caring. Go help out the charitible housing organizations, meet some friends, learn a bit, and then get your house done for cheap.

Isn't this the exact same thing that goes on with online pirating?

NightDragon83 said: Pesmerga7551 said: NightDragon83 said: halil23 said: I voted ms, cause who would want a satanist corp to continue getting away with it... (sad day in gaming industry) Every time Sony fans attack M$ for being a soulless, evil megacorporation that's just in the videogame industry for the $$$, the irony meter explodes into a small mushroom cloud. Well, to be fair it's far more accurate than saying that about Sony. It all comes from their culture (Sony's). Microsoft non-existent presence in Japan isn't a coincidence. If we people in the US had the same high standards of business and personal ethics, Microsoft would be out of the console market in the US too. But, this society honestly is f**ked up. And Apple would be completely out of business as well, but that's not the case, is it? The reason for M$'s non-existent presence in Japan is because they are an American company, and Japanese consumers are generally very xenophobic when it comes to purchasing goods made from foreign companies.  It's got nothing to do with M$'s perceived business practices. And let's be real here... where do you think most of the parts and components for PS3 are manufactured?  Same as where the stuff for not only 360 is made, but Apple too... China.  In fact, the same company in charge of manufacturing and distributing Apple products is the same one that is partly doing so for the PS3... Foxconn.  Remember them?  Being investigated for poor working conditions in their plants and such? Such high standards of business and personal ethics right there.

Nailed it on the head, I wanted to mention Foxconn after you mentioned Apple.

 

However to be fair, Nintendo also has Foxconn manufactur their systems, but to a much higher level of quality then Micorosft, and if the failrate ever exceeds 2%, they go and make them somewhere else, and admit to the mistake. Microsoft, instead of replacing broken first gen consoles under warrenty properly, they replaced their systems with whatever inventory they had left. When my first 360 broke, it was replaced by another broken 360, lol, and MS refused to replace it with an HDMI model (which has a much smaller fail-rate).

Same goes with American Cars, ever hear of Planned Obselence? It's the main reason why Japan got so big on the car market (American Cars were designed to last only about 90,000km and 3 years before every compnent on the car would break in a small time frame, making it cheaper to get a new car then to fix the old one. When the Japanese cars came in, they didn't rust over in 3 years, and often lasted 250km and 10 years or more, and now they do much much better). The Japanese do Planned Obselence too, but to a much smaller degree (Many Toyota Previa's make over 700,000km on their original engine and last 25 years before corroding, but since then Toyota reduced the reliability to about 400-500,000km and 20 years in order to maintain sales from loyalists.

 

Anyway, you nailed it, in terms of production ethics, Nintendo and Sony don't pay workers that much more then Apple or MS (there is a small difference, Apple is the worst in the Foxconn family, but the difference isn't huge). However, it terms on product quality, Americans are pretty crap.

So crap product, plus importing fees (bigger issue on cars then consoles), plus a negative view on foreign products equals poor sales in Japan. However if Reliability meant everything, people would only play Nintendo and drive Toyota's.

Michael-5 said: Jay520 said: Michael-5 said: We're getting less and less exclusives? Last time I checked PS3 had more first party exclusives, and 360/Wii have more exclusives then their predecessors in general. I'm talking about exclusives in general. Not just first party exclusives. The vast majority of developers are 3rd party developers. In past generations, 3rd parties would develop games exclusively to one console, whichever was the market leader. Now, nearly every 3rd party developer makes multiplatform games. As evident by the PS3 & 360 very similar library. This generation, the Wii was the only console with a mainly exclusive library. This means that this generation has seen less exclusives than the immediate generations before it. Also consider the fact that Nintendo intends to change next generation by luring in as many 3rd parties to their system as possible. It is likely that there will be no console with mainly an exclusively library. The only exclusives next generation will be first party. And of course, the amount of first-party developers pale in comparison to number of third-party developers. Thus, next generation, we will be getting even less exclusives. That's not a fair comparision because PS2 monopolized the market last gen and got so many exclusives because of that. Now that this gen, sales between the 3 main consoles are more averaged out, it makes much less sense to make an exclusive title. If your going to count exclusives all together, it's a much fairer comparision to compare the number of PS2 exclusives to that of HD exclusives (games not on the Wii), and if you do that, there are still much more this gen.   I get your point, but it's more accurate to say that consoles are becoming more and more similar, and the market is being divided, so 3rd party exclusives are no longer staying exclusive to one platform. Regardless, if that were the case, then if 1 console leaves, I would think all similar consoles would die out too. I.E. if the next X-Box and PS4 are as similar as the 360 and PS3, then if one of the two couldn't compete with sales I would expect both systems to die out. Either way, there is more diversity now then their was before. Last Gen 3/4 consoles sold were PS2's and the other 1/4 were High graphic Gamecube and X-Box's. This gen it's 1/2 and 1/2 with HD systems and SD system, each with their own unique library. Anyway, I think next gen will be the same as this one, but there might be a 3rd Higher graphic system by Valve, so even more competition.

Yes....like is said, we're getting less and less exclusives. Compare this gen to last gen. Or even compare 2012 to 2007. Exclusives will probably die altogether outside of first party next gen

They'll all stick around.

If you read my other thread a few weeks back regarding the mobile OS being more important next gen, you'll see that its just changing, not ending.

All three will have lower cost, shorter life "consoles" that will also enable smart OS full features and will be joined by Apple's TVs and iTVs as well as other Android OEMs.

3rd party games will be on everything, Android will rule it in marketshare, and Nintendo/Sony will likely have variations of Android with their own respective store fronts.

So in the end, the number of 'gaming consoles' will actually grow quite significantly and the big 3 won't reach 100m type sales as the pie is cut up to smaller slices. But that just means we as consumers win.